tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post2013811701478489961..comments2023-11-03T05:37:50.770-07:00Comments on Tin's Fins: 2010 Draft – Tinshaker’s Top 10 by Position Projections - CORNERBACKUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-38388089908554245662010-01-22T06:49:31.000-08:002010-01-22T06:49:31.000-08:00Agreed on Suh. Would love to land him. :)Agreed on Suh. Would love to land him. :)The Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-51633550938294927752010-01-21T19:19:58.000-08:002010-01-21T19:19:58.000-08:00Yes but Maualuga practically failed the wonderlic,...Yes but Maualuga practically failed the wonderlic, got hurt walking into a<br />door at rookie camp, missed all of training camp, then started 15 games and<br />was a blip on the radar. At least Laurinaitis made a name for himself and<br />looked like he was trying. It's not his fault his team sucks so badly. Rey<br />on the other hand was on a pretty good Bengals team that won their division,<br />and has great defensive coaching around him (word is they taught him how to<br />tie his shoelaces on his own now).Tinshakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-60784359294279589322010-01-21T19:16:02.000-08:002010-01-21T19:16:02.000-08:00Personally I would do what I could before the draf...Personally I would do what I could before the draft to get more picks and<br />then move up. I wanted to move up last year as well.<br />But since Ross is so broke he has to sell the team off like pieces of the<br />Berlin Wall, I don't see us doing that. Although, keep in mind, with<br />Pennington, Porter, Ginn, J Allen, Ferguson, Torbor, Ayodele, Brown, and<br />Wilson all either gone in 2010 or on the brink of gone, there will be a huge<br />amount of cap space available for the future, as well as a lot of space on<br />the books. So there's no reason why we couldn't attempt to trade up for<br />Suh.<br />Don't get me wrong, I like McClain as well as several others who could be on<br />the board at #12, but you and I and everyone else knows there is a prize<br />jewel in this draft that is the biggest prize I can remember in the last 5<br />or 6 years, and that is Ndamukong Suh. I would trade our 1st, a 3rd, a 7th,<br />and two players to get the top pick. Of course, the Jets totally screwed<br />things up to where we'd have to give our 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 2 players.Tinshakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-72295022251481402032010-01-21T16:40:21.000-08:002010-01-21T16:40:21.000-08:00Laurinaitis got pushed around though. He doesn'...Laurinaitis got pushed around though. He doesn't have much protection in front of him but a lot of his tackles were after big gains. The Rams defense got beat up a lot. That's when stats don't tell the whole story.The Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-90329132653578235322010-01-21T16:37:35.000-08:002010-01-21T16:37:35.000-08:00Well said. That's why I laugh when fans start ...Well said. That's why I laugh when fans start rating drafts they really have no idea about. They read lists of rankings for 3 months and when it doesn't follow their mock it's a bad draft. LOLThe Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-9132242048242061062010-01-21T16:35:53.000-08:002010-01-21T16:35:53.000-08:00Tin, I didn't say it right or ask properly. I ...Tin, I didn't say it right or ask properly. I see what you're saying. <br /><br />I know how the trade value chart works, I have it. Jimmy Johnson created it but teams have veered away from it a little bit recently.<br /><br />Do you think we should trade down because the draft is deep, do what we can to move up and land a top player, or just stay put and let the draft come to us?The Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-53927608466568752592010-01-21T15:21:50.000-08:002010-01-21T15:21:50.000-08:00My kung fu logic is stronger than your kung fu log...My kung fu logic is stronger than your kung fu logic.<br />The top 20 is usually littered with offensive tackles, defensive ends/pass<br />rushers, quarter backs and the occasional beat WR or RB.<br />Rarely do you see many if any Centers, Guards, Tight-Ends, Safeties (an<br />exception this year), or inside linebackers go in the top 20. These are<br />positions that traditionally are not taken with a team's 1st round pick, at<br />least not a losing-record team. The top 5 teams generally go for franchise<br />type players like a Quarterback or Left Tackle, and the 6 through 20ish tend<br />to go for best player available after that with some emphasis on need. The<br />rest tend to be teams that are one or two players away from contending for<br />the Super Bowl and thus will usually draft based on need.<br />At this time last year, almost everyone in the country (especially Dolfans)<br />thought Rey Maualuga was the clear best linebacker in the country and would<br />never fall to us at 25. He got picked by the Bengals with their 2nd pick<br />and promptly showed he he had the mental capacity of an eggplant.<br />Laurinaitis got picked as the 1st ILB at # 35 by the Rams and had a much<br />better rookie year, doubling Maualuga's tackle stats (JL=120 tackles, RM=63<br />tackles).<br />Or what about cornerbacks...Malcolm Jenkins was chosen 1st at #14. Vontae<br />Davis was 2nd at #25. Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt (29 and 30) both had<br />better years than Heyward-Bey and Michael Crabtree (7 and 10). Donald Brown<br />(27) had a better year than Knowshon Moreno (12).<br />Percy Harvin was chosen at #22 and was better than everyone chosen above<br />him.<br />And don't make me bring up the defensive ends: Tyson Jackson, Aaron Maybin,<br />Robert Ayers and Larry English all chosen in the top 20, and none made any<br />impact in their rookie years.<br />There's no reason why an impact player/starter/pro-bowler can't be found<br />outside the top 20 picks or even outside the 1st round. 5 drafted rookies<br />made the Pro-Bowl this year, two from within the Top 20 and three from<br />outside the top 20.Tinshakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-53579928491006206482010-01-21T14:44:57.000-08:002010-01-21T14:44:57.000-08:00I can see moving down but not below the 20th pick....I can see moving down but not below the 20th pick. With the first 20 picks you are most likely to get a true #1 player at all the positions other than kickers and punters. Any thing below pick 20 and you're looking at the second best player at any position logically speaking. Of course things never work out in a logical manner, but if it does it's nice to have the bases covered. For me the #12 pick is perfect. We are going to get a really good player at a much more reasonable cost for cap space once a CBA is signed. Those first few picks really put a smack down on the cap space, and if you miss on those players a team can be in a world of hurt for a few years.Fangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-71529811718276307802010-01-21T13:34:43.000-08:002010-01-21T13:34:43.000-08:00No it's not a range. It's an example of po...No it's not a range. It's an example of possible value.<br />The 12th pick is worth 1200 points. The 16th pick is worth 1000 and the<br />78th is worth 200. 18th is worth 900 and the 60th is worth 300.<br />Say we were to trade with the Bengals at 21. They could give us their 2nd<br />round pick (#54, 360 pts) and that would bring us to 1160. Then a 5th round<br />pick would get the total up to 1200 or close enough.<br />So if we were to trade with the Bengals, they would likely give us their<br />21st, 54th, and 148th (a guess) in exchange for the 12th overall.<br />It's basically what the Jets did last year to get Sanchez...I think they<br />traded 3 picks and 3 players?<br />Anyway, I didn't want the poll to be so complicated so it's based solely on<br />'monetary' value, not on actual draft order or potential trade partners.Tinshakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-79667883658598193692010-01-21T13:09:47.000-08:002010-01-21T13:09:47.000-08:00Oh, but we could never get those combinations beca...Oh, but we could never get those combinations because no team would have those numbers. It's just a range?The Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-50601052411319478892010-01-21T12:55:48.000-08:002010-01-21T12:55:48.000-08:00The numbers are not based on teams, but on the val...The numbers are not based on teams, but on the value of the picks. They are<br />examples of combinations of picks that the 12th overall pick is worth<br />according to the trade value chart.Tinshakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-807220070997032092010-01-21T12:02:28.000-08:002010-01-21T12:02:28.000-08:00Agreed.
As for your poll on trades, the numbers d...Agreed.<br /><br />As for your poll on trades, the numbers don't seem to match up per the team and the 1st round pick.The Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-63553538782971671002010-01-21T09:55:47.000-08:002010-01-21T09:55:47.000-08:00Agreed, Knight. The main reason its hard to upgra...Agreed, Knight. The main reason its hard to upgrade corners in free agency<br />is because usually the good ones get re-signed. Almost all the good CBs<br />available are reaching the twilight of their careers, so unless you're<br />desperate (like New England every year due to injuries) there's not a lot of<br />upside to signing someone like that.<br />So the draft is a lot easier. If a guy like McCourty is available in the<br />3rd round, then why not draft him?<br />I'm not convinced as other Miami fans that we need to draft a NT in the 2nd<br />round either, and would rather pick up someone like Owusu-Ansah than risk<br />another Ron Brace when we could probably get a guy like Boo Robinson in the<br />4th.<br />It would be really nice if we could somehow change the quality of our picks<br />and get more mid-round picks as opposed to 5 garbage time picks. I would<br />love to have another 3rd and a 5th to work with.Tinshakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1624420118244025974.post-16319037984012665572010-01-21T09:35:31.000-08:002010-01-21T09:35:31.000-08:00Tin for all the reasons you stated is the reason t...Tin for all the reasons you stated is the reason to draft another CB early. Not in the 1st round but if a good one is available in the 2nd round why not? I'd prefer FA for a solid corner but they're not easy to find in FA.<br /><br />It's a passing league, we have two talented but young corners, W. Allen coming off of surgery, J. Allen can never stay in the lineup, Nate Jones had stretches of playing very well and very bad, and our safeties struggle in deep coverage. The secondary still needs more talent and depth.The Knight who says Ni!noreply@blogger.com