Wednesday, June 23, 2010

Some Team-mate!

According to the Miami Herald, a team-mate of Dolphins wide receiver, Patrick Turner, called him out to the press as not showing enough work ethic and determination, at least when compared to the competition.

Now surely if this really did happen, the Trifecta is going to find out who said it, and instead of Turner being in the doghouse, the loose-lipped player will be.  Not only does this hurt Turner's reputation, it also hurts any trade value he could possibly have, which in turn hurts the Dolphins.

Fans can moan all they want, and the media can fabricate all they want without worrying about how it affects the team.  But a player cannot talk down a member of the team.  Sure, Patrick Turner doesn't have the same value to this team as some of the more famous players caught in the crosshairs of a talkative team-mate - think Clinton Portis or Donovan McNabb, but the regime here in Miami likes to be in control of the spin, and this time they got beat to the punch, and they are unlikely to let it go unpunished.

Forget domestic violence, DUI or suspension, what the Trifecta really hates is not being able to present things in their way, and having players talking to the media too much and on subjects they shouldn't be talking about - remember Jay Feely?  Joey Porter?  Jason Taylor?


131 comments:

  1. My money's on motor-mouth Chowder!

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  2. This was a fellow Wide-Out,... first I must rule out Hartline and of course Marshall

    Bess could be angry over the crowded situation at WR,... maybe
    There are a few others that are working hard to get that final roster spot.  Who do you think it is?

    By the way - Turner has no trade value - You have to be worth something to get something for your services.  Turner has done nothing, nothing at all.

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  3. Turner has zero trade value.  It is possible (although doubtful) that Parcells & Co fed the story to the media to try to light a fire under Turner's butt.  Maybe Ted Ginn leaked it?

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  4. IT WAS JASON TAYLOR, NOW A JET, HATING ON THE DOLPHINS. FU!!!

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  5. NJ1Dolfan (Mike E.)June 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM

    Ok, so maybe whoever said that happens to be right smack on the money!  Turner should have appeared in at least 1 game last year, and the fact that he didn't play 1 offensive snap has to say something about his work ethic.  Maybe this will get his a$$ in gear!

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  6. We Have PlaymakersJune 23, 2010 at 2:12 PM

    Tin,

    I read about this yesterday.  Not sure why a player would be dumb enough to say this but my guess is that Patrick Turner is not going to make this team.  My money is on Grice-Mullen to be the 5th WR.

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  7. Vic, there is no way it was Bess. Being from Hawaii I did not only watch him perform but watch the way he handles himself. The guy is smarter then that. You say he might be angry about a crowded situation but I really can't see him being anything less then a 3rd WR, specially since he was Henne's go to WR last year.

    Everyone thought Turner was a reach when he got drafted so I really doubt what ever trade value he had was really damaged. I think Turner is good as gone. His spot will be filled by who ever wins the KR/PR position (I am including Sheets). If Sheets wins the Job I would not rule out them keeping just 4 WR, move Lex Hillard to back up FB and then keep 4 TBs. The way I look at it is how many times did Miami use that 5th WR last year anyways?

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  8. We Have PlaymakersJune 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM

    NJ1,

    I think that's going to be hard to do if he misses training camp.  Parcells hates injured players more than anything so I just don't see how Turner is going to make this team when we have a bunch of undrafted FA's that have been busting their asses.

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  9. We Have PlaymakersJune 23, 2010 at 2:29 PM

    Bess will be the third WR but he'll wind up with the most amount of catches lined up in the slot.  That's my guess.

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  10. NJ1Dolfan (Mike E.)June 23, 2010 at 2:30 PM

    Absolutely WHP.  I think Turner has avery slim shot of making this team, unless he's healthy by training camp, and really starts showing what he can do.  It would be nice to have another big target, but the likelihood of it being Turner is not good.

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  11. We Have PlaymakersJune 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM

    NJ1,

    His size & his skill set are appealing but if he's not out there outworking the other WR's he's got no shot.  Raw talent might be enough to get you drafted or at least give you a shot in the NFL but it's not enough to find a home.   Bess found a home in Miami by working his ass off.  Grice-Mullen may be next.

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  12. NJ1Dolfan (Mike E.)June 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM

    True, but I would prefer Sheets to be the KR, because I'd like to have him on the roster as RB as well.  Either way, the odds are against Turner making the team anyway.

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  13. Tim The EnchanterJune 23, 2010 at 3:23 PM

    Maybe a DB and I could see Will Allen saying that.

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  14. Tim The EnchanterJune 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM

    I still say Bess has less catches than last year and may not even reach 50.

    I think we go more vertical this year with Marshall and Hartline getting the bulk of receptions and I'm sticking to it.  :-P

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  15. HOW CAN HE display ""enough work ethic & determination""
    if not on the field w'the competition sweattintheirassesoff, (film study, weight room)??

    Sounds like Ireland to me, he's verbally blown every body else's potential trade-value,
    (not that PT has any)!!
    I wonder if JI does it purposely, or iff he's just plain stupid, (only BP know's fer-sure)!!

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  16. Agree, Bess not likely to lead team in reception's,
    (Marshall 80 plus, Hartline 65, Bess 50)bemyguess..

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  17. MAYYYBE JI's gettin smart and has learned to keep his own foot outta his mouth
    by purposely puttin a bug in a talkative "chosen" players ear??  (CC, WA)??
    Guess we'll know iff nothin happens!!

    But then again, it is the Herald, and the news has been slow !!
    One of my long-time local papers just went out of business!!
    Maybe the MH is gettin desperate, AGAIN ??

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  18. Thought this was pretty cool!!
    KDansby's gonna be a GREAT D LEADER (he's on it), luv this team's spirit!!

    Even PW seem's to have stuck his head slightly out of the shell..

    How do these gyz stay so fit, w'their addiction to Oreo's,(wasn't that last yrs joke w'different plyrs)??
    Or is that this generation's cloaked manner of suggesting that their well-endowed??
    I've never seen a pink-cream filled Oreo!!
    They must be speakin a new strain of ebonic's or something that I don't get,
    cuz I like most love me some Oreo's but it pretty much goes w'out saying...

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/aquavision/video/beyond-field-karlos-dansby-part-1

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  19. Tin, sounds like an intentional plant to me... It's Turner's second year and he obviously hasn't gotten it using conventional motivation techniques. Time to turn up the volume because there is no trade value here. Teams will simply wait for Turner to get cut and grab him off the waiver wire if they are interested, which I don't think they will be. WR prospects are a dime a dozen.

    It's interesting how quickly USC players have become complacent with success. When The U was flying high the NFL guys would come back and keep the fire burning with the mantra of hard work. I think USC is all about the bling in and out of college, that metality has caught up with them and landed them in their current position, typical Californication...

    Oh sorry Tin, I forgot you're a Californicator!!! DOH!!!

    The trade for Brandon Marshall and trading Ted Ginn pretty much sealed Turner's fate. The message sent out loud and clear was the Dolphins will not tolerate soft WRs. I would like to think in many cases WRs take 3 years to develop, but it can't happen if a guy is soft. A player without fear can be taught technique, but being fearless cannot be taught. In this case I would say Turner has shown an aversion to contact and it will land him out of the league when the roster is trimmed to 53.

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  20. ffr - coming back to on your q on Ghana from the SS, they are big, physical and skillful. Play very loose, good keeper, resolute defensively, go forward with abandon and will shoot from anywhere. They are very entertaining to watch and in some ways, match up similraly to the US. It should be quite a shoot out that game?
    The tennis is due to start again soon. So far, £11m has been bet on the game over here and the favourite has changed 1095 times. Isner leads on aces 98-95! It really is crazy.

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  21. thanks UK,  hopefully we will have a better result against Ghana this time around.  and that tennis match is crazy.  like i said on the ss, just bet on whoever the winner of this match plays next.  no way they will be able to compete

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  22. Hey, is is over yet?  Not everyone gets to watch sports @ work. 

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  23. tin,

    we allowed to talk world cup here or are you recording the games to watch them later

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  24. It's 62-62. Isner 103 aces, Mahut 100.

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  25. yeah yeah yeah, and not everyone gets to play with boobies at work either.  we all have our burdens  :)

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  26. Yeah, we play with boobies all day here, that's all we do.  And did I mention we're all naked?  lol  8-)

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  27. Herd - send me your shipping address so I can send this webcam I bought you ;)

    ffr - your Tampa boy just served Ace 106 to go up 64-63. His 99th ace was 137mph. The guy is 6' 9" & 245lbs and he looks like he's still growing. I have to say my money would be on Mahut if I were to bet on one of them. Isner looks very heavy legged and his serve keeps rescuing him, but it won't do forever?

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  28. If we are, I could tell you the Italy 1/2 time score?!?

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  29. you can talk now, I just avoided the internet completely yesterday - I'm
    basically avoiding all England and USA spoilers

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  30. UK, you'll be happy to know I did get caught up in the USA game. I usually watch for a few moments and then more on, but it actually held my very limited attention span. When we scored that goal I was pumping fists in the air before I got a hold of myself! It's definitely a step in the right direction, but I don't think watching great football once every 4 years is enough to make it catch on here. The MLS just does nothing for me.

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  31. Patrick - good man - there should always be room in a man's life for one extra sport!

    ffr/Tin Slovakia have just got a 2nd ..... 2-0 and the World Champions are going home too (unless Italy get 2 back in the last 15 mins?)!

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  32. This is a great game Italy-Slovakia. 

    UK, I haven't been keeping up with all of you and the other's WC talk, but what is your opinion of how the Brits have been playing? What is the attitude in the UK for playing Germany?

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  33. well of course you are all naked, isnt everyone when they are on the internet?

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  34. New Zealand are currently ahead of Italy in the group ...... how the might have fallen.

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  35. wow,  looks like another of the big european boys are going home early.  you two should love that, gives your boys with bad teeth a better chance

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  36. 68-67 ...... yawn

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  37. well, hold on there brit boy, it is now 2-1

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  38. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 8:46 AM

    That's awesome.

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  39. ufc - I've been watching the tennis mainly, but switched over just as Slovakia's 2nd went in. I just switched back and saw Italy's goal 2-1 now! Wow.

    England played well against the US and were the better team over 90 minutes I would say. They played really badly against Algeria, looked dog tired, no inspiration or confidence and I don't think they would have scored if they were still playing (like this tennis match)! Against Slovenia, they had some of the old spirit back, looked MUCH better and gave the nation some pride back.
    Glass half-full ..... we have only conceded 1 goal in 3 games and we'll be difficult to beat. Glass half-empty ..... we aren't scoring enough goals to win consistently.

    We don't usually do well against Germany, but being "the old enemy", I'm sure there'll be no shortage of passion out there and I just hope we play well. There is a cautiously optimistic mood here, but the German team is young and plays well together as a unit. They'll be difficult to beat. To go all the way, we need to beat Germany, Argentina, the best team from the Spain/Italy group then Brazil (or whoever can beat Brazil?) in the final.

    Double WOW. Italy had one disallowed for offside (see ffr - not just the US) and now it's 3-1. Crazy game.

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  40. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 8:51 AM

    Where's your avatar?

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  41. Those damn horns are enough to make you want to twist one of them around someone's neck!

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  42. ffr - your Tampa-boy came good and won 70-68. The scoreboard stopped working at 47-47 and had to be re-programmed to accomodate the ludicrous numbers!

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  43. yeah, but was he offsides?  i got to watch the USA game last night and it was clear as day he was not offsides, wasnt even close.  i am not watching the italy game so i cant judge it

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  44. 3-2 now and Italy just missed a great chance to equalise and get through! Can't wait to watch the highlights of this afterwards.

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  45. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 8:57 AM

    What is the deal with those beehive horns? My horns make much better sounds when I choose to play them.

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  46. dont know if you follow the rays, but did you see the rays/marlins game where they gave out the horns.  i am pretty sure baseball is going to put a stop to that

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  47. TTE - they made a special presentation to players and umpire. It's arguable the latter put in the most remarkable performance - they were on court all day yesterday until after 9pm when it virtually went dark and he didn't have a bathroom break all day.

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  48. LMAO - Isner has a doubles game starting in 30 minutes. Think he'll turn up?

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  49. The horns are annoying as hell. You would think people would get tired of blowing them after a while. But alas, I don't want to find reasons not to watch.

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  50. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 9:10 AM

    To throw a little Dolphins football in the mix, I wanted to ask about our LBs.

    During OTAs and read reports from reporters and some quotes from Sparano that this is how our LBs were lined up.

    WOLB: Anderson, Wake, McCoy
    SOLB: Misi, Moses, Walden
    Mike: Crowder, Dobbins, Spitler
    Moe: Dansby, Edds, Folsom

    Can anyone confirm or correct?

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  51. TTE, I would suspect that lineup is the safest guess, however, the media were only present for 3 practices, and Anderson was the 1 in two of them, and Wake was the 1 in the other one.  Also, Crowder only practiced in one of them, whereas Dobbins and Edds both had a go at the Mike spot in the other two. 

    Again, since the media is only there for a glimpse, it's impossible to say with certainty who is where on the depth chart, especially since Sparano always rotates these guys anyway up until the final week or two of pre-season.

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  52. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM

    Thanks, Tin. I don't really care where any of them line up because I just want the right guys at the right positions. I agree that this group with shuffle a bit at different positions.

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  53. What do you expect from three lions? Perfect dentures? We have flesh-ripping fangs!

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  54. LMAO @ FFR !!! =-O

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  55. Three of the hairs on his head were nearer to the goal than the last defender and the linesman's view was obscured at the moment the ball was kicked. Check out the highlights later.

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  56. That's the LB line-up I projected on pg 3 @ ""OTA's continue to answer question's about future""

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  57. We Have PlaymakersJune 24, 2010 at 9:50 AM

    Back to Patrick Turner, I'm not sure how this could be an attempt to "light a fire under his a$$" from management to get it together since the guy is hurt & not even practicing yet.  The news has already come out that he might potentially miss all of training camp b/c of his back.  So "light a fire???"  For when???  For 2011???  I believe if he misses all of training camp then it will be too late for Turner since I'm confident that we either have our 5th WR on the roster or if not then we'll sign a someone else who gets released from another team.  IMO, since Turner has no body of work in 2010, this is a player commenting on what he saw out of Turner last year. 

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  58. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM

    WHP, good point. So how can a teammate makes statements about his work ethic when he's hurt and hasn't been able to work out or train? So that makes no sense.

    If Turner misses all of training camp due to his injury it's the PUP or IR for 2010.

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  59. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM

    13kvFINS, is that your prediction or was it based on what you heard during OTAs?

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  60. NJ1Dolfan (Mike E.)June 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM

    I'm actually hoping Turner is healthy for training camp, and actually makes enough of an impression to make the roster.  It would be nice to have another big target on 3rd down, and in the red zone.  If Sheets can prove he's a competent returner, and Turner proves his worth, then Grice-Mullen might be the odd man out.  Otherwise, it would have to be the PUP for Turner, unless they cut him, which would surprise me.

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  61. <span>UK,</span>
    <span> </span>
    <span>you hear about the algerian reporter who got slapped.   lol, the biach has some balls though, she slapped the player right back.</span>
    <span> </span>
    <span> </span>
    <span>i am not sure but i did hear after she slapped him back he immediately hit the ground and was seen to be rolling around for 20 minutes looking for a red card</span>

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  62. All the Algerian supporters after the US - Algeria match decided as a show of sportsmanship near my appartment in Paris, that it would be a good idea to destroy every car window and burn whatever they found, in particular some poor guy's motorcycle. Only 7 police officers were injured in the showing of support for their team. Gotta love these fans! I guess I can only be happy that the UK tied them otherwise this would have been the second time my street would have been utterly destroyed.

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  63. ffr - lol, didn't hear/see that. Just saw the Italian "offside" again ..... no way it was.

    Heard a chilling stat - Germany only missed out on getting to the 1/4 finals once in their history of entering the World Cup. Doesn't bode well for England. Aside: the commentator said they may have had their minds on other things when they didn't make the 1/4s ....... it was 1938!

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  64. lol - those disaffected Parisienne would-be parvenus sure like to express their resentment to anything by burning the city down at the slightest opportunity huh?

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  65. uk,

    i saw the high light, i agree a bad call.  again, why there is a need for instant replay on calls like that.

    i dont know what the usa chances are but i give them lots of credit for winning the group when they had two goals in two seperate games taken away from them.  not sure how many other teams would of made it thru based on that.

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  66. I'll do that for you Patrick.  My Wife is going to play Bingo.  I'm going with her to watch.  Better than soccer !!!!

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  67. wow, so thats all it took for a parisienne to fight, just losing a soccer game.  damn, next time germany invades paris we ought to just tell them it is the german soccer team that just defeated the french

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  68. That would be like the Mexicans burnig down Phoenix after a Mexico victory... Except the Paris police probably stood on the corner waving a white flag and got hurt trying to run away. The Arizona red-necks would shoot first and call the cops later to clean up the mess.

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  69. patrick,

    if they shoot first and then call the cops, who the heck will be left to do yard word

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  70. Well, to be fair, they were frustrated AND sober AND virgins, so they were
    bound to lash out.
    On the other side of the spectrum - During Euro 2004, I lived in West
    Hampstead, London across the lane from a Greek restaurant. When they won
    the Championship, it was dark, the restaurant was full of drunk soccer
    hooligans and they destroyed half the street (to be fair, the multitude of
    wine bars on the street meant that almost every weekend the street was
    destroyed anyway....
    So whether you're hopped up on ouzo and olives or allah and tobacco, there's
    a good chance something is getting smashed to bits when your team wins
    and/or loses a big match.

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  71. The argument against IR in soccer is interupting the flow of play as it's not (normally) a stop-start game like American footy. They've brought it into rugby to see if a try has been scored now and for big games and big decisions, I'd like to see it. I don't think FIFA would though.

    I think USA have a good chance in the next round. The bookies, however, favour Ghana. Then USA (just) then the draw on the site I checked.

    USA<span><span> (7/4)</span></span>v<span><span> (23/10)</span></span>Ghana<span><span> (15/8)</span></span>

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  72. It's quite amusing that the Algerian team is made up of I think half of French players. They prefered to be considered Algerian, which is a very common thing you seen in Paris atleast.

    The police here would be waiving anything but a white flag, I assure you. When you go to a normal soccer(football) match, the police are standing in the hundreds in riot gear just waiting for the opportunity to hit you with their batons. I took my brother to one match and we were shot at with tear gas no less than 4 times just because we were trying to enter the stadium!

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  73. Oh, I forgot to mention that the Algerian team played against Egypt in the African Cup (I think) and when they won the match they decided to actually slap the Egyptian supporters in the face and then destroyed Marsailles.

    Not just a Parisian issue, nor is it the first time this has happened...

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  74. No Rob the Parisians would watch it burn. They would need to rile up the Algerians when the Germans come marching in, then they might have chance. Once they ran out of Algerians then they would serve up the Parisiennes before resorting to Alfredo sauce.

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  75. The difference is that these Parisiennes were not around during the war, they arrived after it had been made safe! They aren't fully paid up "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" as one of your countrymen once suggested, these have more of the "tribal warrior" mentality.

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  76. UK,

    the only way i would like to see IR in soccer is on goals which are disallowed.  and on red cards.  those are the two things that completely changes a match.  so i would like to see them make the correct call.  but i agree with you FIFA wont do it, they love the controversy the calls create.   hell, they want the controversy

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  77. well, it isnt just soccer, 30 something people were arrested and numerous cars burn and/or turned over after the lakers won the nba title.  hmmmmmmm, wonder what the common thread there is between the two

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  78. uk,


    you checking out the scores still japan up 2-0 over denmark

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  79. "frustrated AND sober AND virgins, so they were bound to lash out"

    lol. That's not a good look.

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  80. Japan 2-0 at the half, Holland 1-0 at the half. Pretty uninspiring games really. Couple of good ones tomorrow. Spain v Chile and Portugal v Brazil. The latter is worth tuning in to just for totty-spotting!

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  81. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 12:38 PM

    Yeah!!!! my team scored and won, let's go tip that car and burn down that store. I don't get that mentality at all.

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  82. Rob, I may be the only one who got that dark reference!!!

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  83. whats not to get.  it is simple, you have two choices, you can get drunk on pabst blue ribbon beer or malt liquor 40/40 and go home to your single wide trailer that slants to one side cause one tire is flat or head to the slums to your home the white man has given you or you can turn over a car and burn down a store.

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  84. patrick,

    i have no idea what you are talking about, i have to say, i am in the dark here   LOL

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  85. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 1:07 PM

    Do they have trailer homes in Europe because they do it too? LOL

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  86. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 1:26 PM

    Didn't Vancouver set their city on fire when they lost the Stanley Cup and Detroit burned their city down a few times after winning the cup. But they do that in Detroit every week so I guess no biggie.

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  87. At WV, when they win a big game, they burn their sofas in the streets.  FFR, you might want to consider that for hygiene reasons alone!  lol

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  88. are saying since i have scored so much on my sofa i should burn it?  

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  89. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 1:50 PM

    Seriously? I thought they just pulled another tooth.  >:o

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  90. why would they do that?  can you imagine how hard it would be for them to chew on their bacco with only 2 teeth left

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  91. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 2:07 PM

    Don't they just gum that shit?

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  92. 2 teeth, that's probably giving them too much credit. 

    I've tried watching some of the World Cup but I still don't get it. The announcers crack me up!

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  93. EeeWWWWwww...that is gross, no matter what you do with it.

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  94. Tim The EnchanterJune 24, 2010 at 3:35 PM

    Goooooooooooaaaaaaaaaalllllll!

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  95. MYYY projection!!
    Until I'm made aware that WAKE is more than just a pass-rusher!!
    GOTTA think that TriTuna has a WHOLE-LOTTA faith in their FA pk-up CAnderson
    to allow BOTH JT and JP move-on...

    IT's obviously MYY projection, I projected MYYY CURRENT 53 w'explanation's,(no-one else has)!!
    Soo NO,I don't simply repeat what I hear, I have strong conviction's of my own in anything I post
    Besides that I had CAnderson ahead of Wake when we did the LB evaluation's,(b/4 OTA'S)!!

    Now you made me go and do it, (repost my projected 53),LOL!!! :-D

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  96. TOOO FUNNY w'the trailer talk...

    As far as the horns, it's actually swarms of African Killer Bees @ every stadium...

    I went to a ConCaCaf game yrs & yrs ago in SanJose Ca b/t Mexico and the US,
    got really drunk and blew one of those horns in a Mexican fan's ear the entire game..
    To this day the only reason I figure he didn't shove-it down my throat (cartoon style),
    is b/c he had a youngster w'him..
    He should'a done it anyway's,I definately deserved it,and wouldn't have been able to fight about it w'a horn protruding from both my mouth and ass... 
    Senor', I apologize,and I quit drinkin                     too much..

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  97. ""If Turner misses all of training camp due to his injury it's the PUP or IR for 2010.""

    IMHO, that make's farr-more sense than his outright release!!
    Same for puttin CP on, so that we don't have to release a potentially explosive high draft-pk,
    w'out yet (in 1 yr) witnessing what positive's he might eventually be reliable for on gameday's...

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  98. what is it that cracks you up about the announcers?

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  99. Why has the SS blog become obsessed with the Jets? Who really gives a freak? We need to take care of our business and let those A-holes do the talking.

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  100. I don't know, some of the expressions they use, can't really think of an example, maybe it was the wine I was drinking.  Or the wine they were drinking!  Something.  Nevermind....lol 

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  101. They Call Me... TimJune 25, 2010 at 11:08 AM

    There are reports that Nolan Carroll has signed as well.

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  102. Bungle, Knight, Enchanter, is your REAL name Tim??

    I personally don't know what to call you anymore, LOL!!
    It's all good, I was just wondering...

    I assume Patrick is actually a Patrick as well as other's,
    and I've given my REAL name numerous time's,
    so I don't know what the deal w'the internet cloak is..
    Though I realize you've had psychopath's seek you out,
    but they've been institutionalized,so I think it's safe now for you to come-out...

    AGAIN, juswondering!!

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  103. They Call Me... TimJune 25, 2010 at 12:25 PM

    No, Tim The Enchanter was a character in Monty Python's Holy Grail. My picture is Tim The Enchanter but wearing a Dolphins hat. LOL

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  104. They Call Me... TimJune 25, 2010 at 12:46 PM

    I prefer to be a ghost writer online so not to mix my real identity with work and pleasure.

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  105. Yep, the Dolphins are now halfway through the draftee signings.  They tend to go in order from the bottom up, which suggests that Reshad Jones is either getting a more complex contract (perhaps big bonuses for starting games?) or he's getting lowballed and his agent ain't liking it.

    It could just be a coincidence though.

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  106. I should say I expect all but Odrick to sign by the end of next week.  I don't expect Odrick to sign until the last minute.

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  107. They Call Me... TimJune 25, 2010 at 1:06 PM

    A day or two before training camp. The week leading up to training camp is when the back end of the 1st round starts signing because the salary gets set.

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  108. Comprende !!  I know who TTE is, though I didn't realize you put a FINS cap on'em, LOL!!

    Thanx for the requested update!!  

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  109. Are they ahead of last yrs pace (plyrs signing)?? Seems so to me, @least JI does that well !!

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  110. Not sayin it'll happen,but

    I'd bet that RJones/agent want's @least the 2ml that Carroll's gettin
    seeing that it's (currently obvious) Jones is @least a 2nd string (direly needed) FS
    and practically guaranteed 1 of 53 spot's,
    while Carroll's currently @best a 3rd string CB where we're miraculously deep,
    (just one yr later).. I believe Jones is the studlier ST'er also!!

    Carroll has the upbringing not to raise a stur about it, Iff it were to happen...

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  111. I know Jones was drafted lower than Carroll, but probably asking for half-way b/t Carroll & Edds $$$..
    Reason's above...

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  112. I think Carroll is just as close to being guaranteed 1 of the 53 spot's... while cb is deep, there isn't much at the tail end assuming we take the standard 5... I think you take the guy you drafted over Oglesby.

    Also... while Reshad Jones is a 2nd stringer FS for practice purposes... Once the season starts if Clemons was to start and got injured, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Culver slide over and become the starter before Reshad does.

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  113. They Call Me... TimJune 26, 2010 at 5:16 AM

    The trifecta likes Carroll a lot. Very good athlete and high character guy. They think they have a guy in Carroll that's better than your typical 5th round corner because injuries dropped him. But when healthy Carroll is a gifted athlete at 5-11 200+ and fast running sub 4.4 40s.

    We're building a big, fast team and the NFL is going to find that out soon enough. LOL

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  114. Tryp, I agree w'Culver likely taking over should CClemons have a problem!!
    I like Carroll and hope/think he'll make the 53, but I don't believe the 53rd or so is b/t him & Ogelsby..
    MHO is his 53rd or so roster spot is more of a competition b/t he & versatile Ness or Amaya..

    TTE, agree that Carroll fell due to injuries, but RJones fell much farther for the same reason's..
    After 08 RJones was a projected 1st or 2nd rndr,(3rd or 4th) after 09 due to injuries,
    NCarroll was a projected 6th rounder after 09's injured season, and I don't believe he was ever ranked much higher than that, but I personally agree "he's better than your typical 5th rnd CB"..

    AGAIN, I like/hope/think Jones & Carroll will both make the 53,
    but Jones is currently the bigger necessity, IMHO!!

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  115. 生存乃是不斷地在內心與靈魂交戰;寫作是坐著審判自己。......................................................................

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  116. I wanted to send my condolences to all the football fans. I was actually starting to get into it a little bit.

    When I was watching, it suddenly hit me why the game has such a hard time taking off in America. It has nothing to do with the quality of the sport, it has everything to do with the format. It's simply not conducive to the short American attention span and commercialization. Network TV has historically been built on a framework of commercials paying the tab for free TV to the home. Since the inception of that concept all American TV has been slowly closing the window between the presentation and the commercials. Meaning, there is is probably no more than 10 minutes continuous run time between commercials.

    A soccer game has very few interruptions over the course of 90 minutes and all the commercials have to come at halftime or injuries. I think they have tried to change that in the MLS by halting play after a goal or for a corner kick, etc. but it doesn't work, it ruins the flow of the game and that is why people don't like MLS. So the soccer purest don't like it because the commercialization stops the flow of the game and the networks don't like it because they don't get to play the number of commercials they would like and then there's that attention span thing...

    Americans who are unfamiliar with the game cannot sit in one spot and watch a game for 45 minutes uninterrupted, it's not possible. Most people cannot be away from their computer for 30 seconds because they might miss a blog entry or the I-phone, Facebook, Twitter, etc. The American attention span is about 30 seconds before the mind wanders. Putting kids in front of a book with complete silence is nearly impossible, it drives them crazy because they are so used to being constantly bombarded with shallow information blurbs and commercials. To ask them to sit and watch a 45 minute span of soccer is just not going to happen.

    As usual, I got a little carried away, but I think there is a lot of truth in what I'm saying here.

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  117. Thanks Patrick and commiserations to all followers of the US soccer team also. I'm gutted.

    I saw or read somewhere that the average attention span of Americans, according to studies, was 6 minutes, which is why tv shows have commercial breaks of that kind of frequency. We get some NFL network shows over here and I'm amazed at all the "joins" in the show which have been ads. We get ads every 15 or 20 minutes over here depending on the show.

    You make some intersting points and here are some comments from them. Firstly, football started on tv here on the BBC, which never has or will (I hope) have adverts (except plugging it's own future content). That being said, soccer has very successfully been adopted by commercial tv. The half time discussion on BBC is 15 minutes, on commercial tv, 5 minutes + 10 minutes of ads. For premiership games, now, the BBC can't afford to bid for live games and only shows highlight shows.

    I hate ads by the way. I always mute them when they come on and do something else. I may miss one useful message every 10,000 ads, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

    Playing devil's advocate, in spite of the study I quoted above and your comments on attention span, how do you explain movies (I presume they are shown with no breaks in the US?) and HBO (my favourite US channel and the only one I found with no breaks in a show)? If I have to watch one more truck ad the next time I am in the US, I may have to kick the tv in?

    As for soccer, don't know if you saw either of the games yesterday, but there were two gigantic miscarriages of justice? The first was a goal England scored at 1-2, which clearly crossed the line but wasn't given, the second was a goal by Argentina's Carlos Tevez that was so far offside it was laughable. It's all conjecture whether either affected the outcome of the game, but all throughout the tournament, the officaiting and accuracy of decisions has been a mockery. Inconsistencies have been rife from one match to the next in terms of interpretation of the rules and it has stood out more than I can ever remember in this WC compared to the NFL. I guess the NFL crews have a lot more consitency, working on the same continent and with a longer career in many cases, but with different countries and different attitudes to contact etc, that side of things has been badly lacking at this tournament. One thing that has been worse, however, has been "technology". Things like technology to tell whether a ball has corssed a line or whether a player is offside when the ball is kicked really isn't rocket science anymore, but FIFA has repeatedly rejected use of it. There is a huge debate now starting to rage between the old school who say don't interupt the flow, the refs decision is final and these things even themselves out and the younger generation who think (rightly so - even though I'm an old fart myself) that games should be won on merit and on what happened, not on what someone in black and white thought might have happened? The doubters say that once you take the lid off Pandora's box, coaches will be wanting to check for every single shirt pull, bad tackle and possible handball. Modernisers say that technology is quick, won't interupt the game and can enhance it. Some are calling for challenge rules as in tennis and American football. What I would say is that after this WC is done, there needs to be a good look at this to get more "right first time" decisions and less miscarriages (ask ffr about some of the disallowed US goals!) One thing I don't think will ever happen though, is more downtime in-game. I don't see long time-outs or interuptions. As Tin pointed out many blogs ago, players often hit the truf and stay down for long periods to either give the team a breather or to try to [...]

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  118. They Call Me... TimJune 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM

    For me soccer has nothing to do with having a short attention span. The game bores me plain and simple. I enjoyed playing it in grammar school during gym but watching it on TV is not exciting to me.

    By the way, I highly doubt all those hooligans who attend games and pack bars all over the world have long attention spans. LOL

    The TV advertising has nothing to do with American attentions spans. It has everything to do with getting in as many advertisers as they can.  :-$

    I don't know where that study came from but like uk mentioned what about movies, HBO type shows, concerts, broadway shows that can run for 2-3 hours with only one short intermission or none at all?

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  119. I dont agree with the american attention span issue either.  I think soccer hasnt caught on for several reasons.  the biggest being the stop drop and roll used by too many players.  When Americans watch the NFL or college and see guy slamming into each other and then get up and walk away, it is hard for them to understand how a player runs into another players elbow and gets bumped in the chest, then drops rolling all over the field grabbing his face so the other player gets red carded, Americans cant respect that aspect of the sport.  Which brings into fold another accept of the game, the officiating.  how a ref lets the fake injuries go is just hard for americans to understand. 

    And this world cup will do nothing to get to sport bigger in America.  Not with the officiating.  To be honest, the officating has made the WWF look real.  There is no reason for the calls we saw over the weekend not to be overturned. 

    UK, there is no doubt your boys got hosed, that goal could of changed the game.  I think it would of changed the game but thanks to the refs, we will never know.

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  120. The Knight Of Estas VicisJune 28, 2010 at 7:57 AM

    ffr, I agree. All I've heard when listening to people talk about the World Cup is how lousy the officiating is.

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  121. TCMT, some of those holligans are very "smart" (including often not getting caught) - there is very much the "organised crime" mentality among them, deliberately co-ordinating fights with "opponents" via mobile phones, outwitting police etc. They may be misguided, but in many cases, stupid they are not. Lots are even professionals! Go figure?

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  122. If instant replay was adopted, it could add the breaks needed for sponors to get air time... Guys you may not want to believe it but the entire American culture is moving toward a shorter attention span. It is also becoming a society of factoidism (I made that up). There is very little in-depth knowledge. The gap between the people who have the technical knoweldge and the common people is growing wider by the day. Anyway that's a different discussion...

    Movies and concerts are a different animal, people go there with the intent of spending 2 hours in one sitting. At live football games people are constantly getting up and down.  It is that way at all live sporting events.

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  123. The Knight Of Estas VicisJune 28, 2010 at 8:19 AM

    Patrick, speak for yourself. LOL

    I don't like to be lumped in with studies of all Americans because a lot of them are sheep.

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  124. The Knight Of Estas VicisJune 28, 2010 at 8:20 AM

    uk, I don't doubt it. But during the games with the beer and alcohol I doubt there is a lot of long term thinking going on. I never suggested they were all stupid.

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  125. who you kidding, you love being behind sheep.

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  126. ffr, That whole thing with injuries is very subjective depending on your viewpoint. The "British" way is to play tough and get up after a challenge. In recent years, however, our game has benefitted from a big influx of top foreign players with great ball skills but (imho) lost out to all the faking, cheating, diving, card-requests that our players see and some have started to copy. There is some backlash from officals, who will book offenders, but nowhere near enough. I'd like to see retrospective punishment by a video ref to get help minimise this too (like the NFL fine system). I'd like to get all the cheating BS out of soccer, but I think they are too scared to do anything now. There really isn't much respect in the sport (ironic after ruling bodies bought in a respect system to cover coaching staff, players and fans) and puny little players regularly swarm bigger refs to complain about decisions that will NEVER be overturned. Compare that to rugby, where you have small refs and hulking great players and if a player even talks out of turn, the team is marched back 10 yards like the NFL.

    The perception of "toughness" is a tricky one too. For example, most Brits think NFL players are big girlies cos they have pads and helmets to protect themselves, whilst rugby players just wear a jersey slightly thicker than a soccer shirt as padding. Most folk here would think soccer players are quite tough and I've seen llots of NFL players tweets saying "man, those guys never stop running for 90 minutes!" I guess that aspect boils down to "beauty is in the eye of the beholder?" I can see the good in the NFL, soccer and rugby, but all have flaws too.

    As for the officiating, I guess when you've lived with a system like this for so long, you do take the rough with the smooth and be more philospohical about it, but with modern media and technologoy being all over everything and the saturation exposure, I think the pressure to change will just be too much this time. I really hope so anyway.

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  127. patrick,

    i think soccer is this simple, if you like it, no one can tell you why you shouldnt like it, if you dont like it, (knight)  no matter what i do or say or how many facts i can give him about the game, he will never like it.  Soccer needs to go after the youth in this country not the knight's of this country lol.

    however, i will say FIFA doesnt want soccer to take off in america.  It isnt like the sport is hurting for fans world wide.  dont know if any of you remember the old NASL.  we used to get 50-60 thousand fans in the stadium for Rowdie games.  the NASL was very successful all over.  they had at the time a 35 yard line for offsides, it made for mush more scoring and a hell of a lot more action.  however, FIFA came in and said, get rid of the 35 yard line or you cant have anymore more foregin players.  well the NASL removed it and the rest is history. 

    FIFA has to much control to make the game successful in this country

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  128. It's a funny one that - a lot of the top tough holligans don't drink. Some don't even go to the game! It's the stupid drunk ones who get caught!

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  129. tins has a new blog up, we can continue this chat there

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  130. The Knight of Estas VicisJune 28, 2010 at 8:46 AM

    Only you can twist someone's words into a sick sexual act. LOL

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