Well there appeared a little blurb in the Herald about John Beck being offered to Dallas for the second time which prompted the speculation that the Trifecta is going to try to gain more draft picks for the upcoming draft. The speculation suggests that there would be a conditional pick of the low round variety. Well this makes no sense at all, because obviously if the Dolphins are trying to move him now, they are trying to increase their draft pick count for THIS year with the draft 3 months away. Otherwise they would keep him though camp till his value might go up with other teams facing injuries/busts/etc.
Then this brings up the fact that if they drop one quarterback they will need to replace him with another. With Chad Henne on the bench they would not need to draft for youth, but could bring in a value-priced veteran for insurance purposes. Or maybe they are interested in drafting Pat White for the Wildcat!
It would seem likely to me that the Trifecta would try to hoard as many picks as possible so that ON THE DAY they could finagle trades to move up and down to get SPECIFIC players.
What do you guys think?
"What do you guys think? "
ReplyDeleteIsn't that what Harvey says at the end of all his posts?
I think John Beck could be a good QB in the NFL if he could get in an offensive system for more then 1 year consecutively.
Him getting traded will yield at least one more ho-hum season (even if he were to start) before he had a a chance to actually stop analyzing and start reacting. That's what preparation is all about; internalizing the gameplan so in the game you can just play and the decisions are not so much conscious as automatic.
John Beck got screwed when Cam Cameron drafted him.
Well I don't think Harvey has it trade-marked but then again he's so old school, he might've coined the term!
ReplyDeleteSo Jahndoh, are you saying he shouldn't be traded? And even if sticking around turns him into a good QB, when would he get the chance to see the field? He is getting up there in age too. Maybe he should go to Dallas where he'd be the number 2 instead of the emergency guy.
"So Jahndoh, are you saying he shouldn't be traded? "
ReplyDeleteNo. I think he's damaged goods in Miami, and as you said, his chances of seeing the field are very small.
I do think he'd be better off to go somewhere where he'd actually sniff the field. Apparently he's a great film room guy (more reason I think the guy would be a good NFLer if events transpired differently), so he'd be a great clipboard holder for Romo.
Romo is losing his luster anyway, so maybe he'd actually get a chance to play at some point.
His detractors aren't going to see any proof to dissuade their opinions if he is traded though...since he'll be relearning a whole new playbook.....again.
I know Bungle is dead against the trade, but if we can get a first day pick, and bring in a value vet at third string I'd take it. If Beck is ever needed to play anytime soon, our season is down the pan anyway. We have too many other more pressing needs than the luxury of quality depth at 3rd string QB for this coming season. Filling this position with a prospect can be revisited sometime in the future when our roster is much healthier.
ReplyDeletei would be absolutely gob-smacked if we got a first day pick for him. Maybe if it included another player...who can throw into the deal...Rod Wright? Nope still not a good deal for Dallas. I would guess 4th round is as high as we could get with 6th round being more realistic.
ReplyDeleteA 6th is a bad deal in my mind. We drafted him with a 2nd and we might trade him for a player who might end up being cut. He is better value holding the clipboard, doing Chad's homework and, as you pointed out, being kept up Ireland's sleeve as trade-bait in case a team gets a couple of bad injuries in camp (like the deal with JT to Washington).
ReplyDeleteBig difference there with JT being a perennial pro-bowler and Beck being a 3rd year, 29 yr old, 3rd string QB, with little to no chance of seeing the field. Forget the past draft order. Sometimes draft choices don't pan out. Beck will have absolutely ZERO trade value next year. The best case scenario would be a conditional pick for 2010, but like I said, the timing of the trade talks suggests they're looking for a 2009 pick.
ReplyDeleteI think trading him would be good for both the Dolphins and for Beck. My impression is that the Trifecta are just not that sold on him - maybe because they genuinely believe he's not an NFL caliber quarterback or perhaps they just didn't like inheriting the last regimes Quarterback of the future. Either way he'll probably never succeed in Miami so he'd be better of elsewhere and Miami would be better off with the draft pick.
ReplyDeleteAlso the sooner he is traded the better. As Jahndoh said, whereever he goes he'd still need time to develop and learn the new system so he wouldn't be very attractive to a desperate team a few weeks before next season begins. He'd have more value from now till the draft when his new team would have him long enough to allow him to potentially contribute in the upcoming season.
I meant timing of injuries (DEs at Washington)rather than comparative value of JT and Beck (NO comparison between the 2 - even though I think JT is maybe slowing down a tad now?) My gut feeling about Beck from what I saw of him was that he didn't have what it takes, but he was in a bad team at a bad time. If he is traded, I guess the Trifecta confirms this. You are right - you have to forget what you "paid" for him and get what he's worth and swallow the loss.
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ReplyDeleteOh that feels soo good!
Found these while browsing through the Cowboys blog. These are comments from Dallas fans.
ReplyDelete"Yeah sure, let's let Miami dupe us again. Maybe we should offer Pacman for Beck straight up."
"HOLD ON A SECOND, are we actually gonna trust THE TUNA, cmon. he stole AKIN Adele and Fassano, tuna knows that we need a qb and he knows this Beck is garbage. But he has us by the balls as we dont have any other QB on our roster"
"Please NO !!!!! Don't try to tell us this would be good. We don't need another non NFL quality qb."
"The Cowboys would be foolish to trust the tuna. He screwed the Cowboys with the Akin and Fassano trade. Let's trade Bobbie Carpenter for John Beck and Miami's second round draft pick. That seems fair."
Check out this report and subsequent blog about Beck to the Boys - it's very entertaining.
ReplyDeletehttp://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/report-dolphins-offered-john-beck-to-cow.html
One side of the coin is that pennington is injury-prone, so keep beck. The other side of the coin is that beck is not a parcells guy. QB is not a need issue, so I expect no changes there.
ReplyDeleteWe should come here from now on. Screw Omar.
ReplyDeleteuk, if you look at the 3rd link in the article, you'll see I already included that link. I promise I will do as much of the homework as I can before I post something. One thing that sets this blog apart from the SS is that any factual info I supply is not my own, so I will provide the backup stories/blogs/videos etc in a link in my article. Some of them are 'easter eggs' but most of them will be the underlined/illuminated text in the article. Also, the only revenue stream I get from this is my regular paycheck while I'm blogging on company time ;) but thanks anyway.
ReplyDeletenydolphin, it seems logical that the 3rd string QB should be the least of our concerns, but IF they DO trade Beck, then we'd suddenly NEED a QB. I would think that the Trifecta wouldn't want to create a need on the team, but since they have definitely shopped Beck to Dallas at least twice now (there were rumours that they tried Minnesota as well last year), they must have a contingency plan. They most likely feel Henne and Penne are the two guns they'll stick with and they could get a value vet that could ADD to the teaching aspect for Henne. It makes no sense to have two students for the sensei.
ReplyDeleteI'm not against trading Beck unless we get some real value. I don't think trading a 2nd round prospect from 2007 for a 4th round pick in 2009 makes much sense.
ReplyDeletewhat if you then take that 4th round pick and draft the next [insert name of late-round superstar here]?
ReplyDeleteplus this year's draft is pretty deep. the fins could get something of more value, like depth on the O-line or a quality back-up CB. That would be of more VALUE to us than a project emergency QB.
This is the latest update on Beck's NFLdraftscout profile:
ReplyDelete"01/14/09 - QB John Beck was inactive all season and is still on the team because the Dolphins were unable to get anything for him. His class and intelligence should eventually net Miami a fourth- to fifth-round draft pick."
Tin,
ReplyDeleteI'll try to post this again. I didn't do my homework properly and click your link. My bad.
Only teasing about remuneration too - there are no annoying flashing ads on here .... I'll stop coming when there are!
Here's the link I found from youtube when looking at the Beck tape. It's an OSU "tribute" to Henne and is hilarious but DON'T open it at work or in the presence of sensitive females.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bzZEtOcb8&feature=related
This is our future?!?
PS Can you alter settings on comments so we can paste clickable links?
"what if you then take that 4th round pick and draft the next [insert name of late-round superstar here]?"
ReplyDeleteYou don't make trades based on what if. What if Beck becomes the next Drew Brees and Chad Henne busts? We can do that all day.
A fourth round pick for Beck would be great. Maybe these guys believe in drafting a quarterback every year. I wouldn't mind taking Rhett Bomar in the fifth or sixth round.
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't mind having a different 3rd QB every year, I wouldn't waste draft picks like that. Especially when we should be drafting a new punter every year....
ReplyDeleteI like drafting a QB every other year, not every year.
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