Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Early Turk Special

Some people may say it's a bit early to talk about the 2010 roster, but really, isn't that what we've been doing all along with Draft and Free Agency talk?  And while there are no certainties as to who we'll draft or add through free agency, it's becoming abundantly clear that there is going to be a shake-up of current players.  Here's a list of current players who I believe are unlikely to be on the roster in 2010:

  • Joey Porter - this one's pretty obvious.  There's no going back from Porter's statements of the past week.  This is on a scale that makes the Jason Taylor/Bill Parcells spat look like tiny raindrop in a monsoon.  Whereas that was mainly a misunderstanding or overblown media reports, Porter has gone on the record and bashed the Dolphins and the Head Coach.  The Dolphins won't even bother holding out the olive branch here because of Porter's age, history of anger issues, and inability to play nice with others.  He put on a good face for one season, acting like it was all about the team, then the following season acted like it was all about him.  He lost his leadership cred.  I expect he'll be a Cardinal this year, but not via trade.  The Dolphins attorneys will work to get some of his contract voided. 
  • Nathan Jones - the Dolphins would be hard-pressed to be able to find a younger, cheaper version of Jones in the upcoming draft.  For a similar paycheck they might even be able to get an upgrade.  Jones is a very intelligent guy but it doesn't translate onto the field.  Considering the fact he has not stood out on Special Teams the way Jason Allen, Patrick Cobbs, Vontae Davis, and even Lex Hilliard have, I see no reason other than favoritism to keep him around.  Now that his biggest supporter, Paul Pasqualoni is gone, I expect Nolan to give Jones his walking papers.
  • Paul Soliai - The current regime inherited Soliai and saw some upside there, but the truth will eventually be faced that he is not the ideal nose tackle size and would probably be better suited in a 4-3 scheme.  Nolan and Parcells both like their NTs to be 6'2" and under and more thighs than anything else.  Soliai scored a whopping NINE on the wonderlic and has been a development project for 3 years now and was used in 2009 primarily to rest other players.  I don't see Nolan preferring Soliai over one of his own recruits and I don't see the Trifecta going to bat for Soliai either.  Keep in mind that Tony McDaniel requested to be given the chance to convert to NT, which was a smart move, because he knew he could outdo Soliai in a competition to replace Jason Ferguson.  That combined with the potential move of Philip Merling into the middle as well makes Soliai pretty expendable (more on that in a future blog).  I do see some potential for trade value here though.
  • Ted Ginn Jr. - I've defended Ginn in the past, but the reality is, if the Dolphins draft a WR or two this year, there will be 10 receivers in camp of which only 5 will be kept.  Davone Bess?  safe.  Brian Hartline?  Safe.  Newly drafted guy? safe.  Greg Camarillo? Probably Safe.  That leaves one spot open with Ginn, Patrick Turner, Julius Pruitt, Taurus Johnson, Ryan Grice-Mullen and possibly another camp body to compete for the final spot.  Ginn would have to have a pretty spectacular off-season to stay on this team, regardless of how much Jeff Ireland likes him.    Personally, I think Taurus Johnson has the most upside of the contenders because he is the best blocker and has probably the best hands along with Grice-Mullen.  it will only take one of those guys to impress the coaches for Ginn to be traded away.  Speaking of trading Ginn, considering our less than perfect selection of 2010 draft picks, it's probably a better idea to trade him before the draft rather than during the summer.
Are there any other players you feel could be on the chopping block?

114 comments:

  1. I see a few guys who are contributers but could be trade material, one being Jason Allen.  A recent Ireland interview had him praising Allen's contributions in his role, but he did say something to the effect of that role not being equal to his contract.  Another team will see his physical attributes and think we're using him wrong, or that he'd be a good safety.  A defense starved team could use a Porter/Soliai/Allen package.  Throw in Crowder while you're at it!  Another guy I see traded is Ronnie Brown.  Age being the main issue, durability, and highest trade value at the moment (not going to be any better down the road).  Also, Channing and him are best buds, and maybe Ronnie isn't sold on Sporano either, and we need to re-sew with Sporano seedlings.

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  2. Ronnie and Channing are best buds? I've never seen the two of them in the
    same room together...
    In my recollection, the defenders tend to be close to other defenders and
    the offense tends to stick to offense. And to suggest that Ronnie isn't
    sold into the system here with the Dolphins is absolute blasphemy!! lol
    Ronnie has said 3 times in the last month that he is staying a Miami Dolphin
    for as long as they'll have him. He wants to play his whole career in
    Miami. I think Crowder feels the same way, but he has no filter in his
    brain telling him to think before he speaks. I don't expect any of the spin
    that Armando put on his article to be considered by the Dolphins. At no
    point did Crowder say anything negative, he simply said he was shocked by
    the decision to suspend Porter. Salguero made that out to mean that the
    players hate Sparano. I don't see the correlation.
    No matter what you think about Crowder, this is not a year to be dropping
    inside linebackers because it is one of the worst draft classes and free
    agency periods in years in regards to that position. Plus Crowder is better
    than Ayodele, Torbor and Folsom.

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  3. The Knight who says Ni!February 3, 2010 at 10:56 AM

    I thought Ronnie and Ricky were best buds?

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  4. The Knight who says Ni!February 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM

    I think Will Allen takes over the Nate Jones role and serves as a backup corner if Davis or Smith goes down.

    Soliai could be packaged in a trade to a 4-3 team if we're looking to move up and target a specific player. Soliai's size and athleticism can't be ignored.

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  5. Tin, baloney-deprivation in the locker room must be enough tho cause some to mutiny!

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  6. The Knight who says Ni!February 3, 2010 at 11:06 AM

    Agreed on Crowder. I don't think what Crowder said meant he hates Sparano, but he'd be better off staying out the Joey stuff. Crowder's knee is more of a concern to me and it might be for the trifecta as well.

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  7. The Knight who says Ni!February 3, 2010 at 11:12 AM

    Ronnie is entering his 6th season. It's not like he has a ton of mileage on him with his 15.5 rush attempts average per game and 2.5 receiving which should be much more.

    Also about his durability, Ronnie's injuries have been more of the freak nature. A broken hand can happen to anyone. Blowing his knee trying to make a tackle on an interception. Having his foot caught and twisted in a pile. These are not durability issues. Injury-prone is always having a nagging injury, always on the injury report, plays one week then not the next etc. That's not Ronnie.

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  8. I agree on the Crowder comments.  Salguero always tries to stir things up like typical media idiots. 

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  9. I would love it if we kept Ronnie but I see us drafting his replacement next year.  Even though he is one of the keys to the Wildcat and a great #1 RB, he will most likely find a bigger deal somewhere else.

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  10. Tinshaker,

    What do you mean by this statement?  "<span>considering our less than perfect selection of 2010 draft picks"</span>

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  11. The Knight who says Ni!February 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM

    Maybe.

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  12. well lets see, the consensus at the ss is henne should be gone, sparano cant coach and the knight who says ni thinks the jets have more talent then the fins.  so i guess henne, sparano and knight should go. 


    tin, got to send some good vibes your way for this sight.  the ss has gone to shit the last week or so.

    knight,  i know that wasnt you on the ss, no need to defend yourself here.

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  13. Big Dawg, we have 9 picks but 6 of them are in the 6th and 7th rounds. We
    have no picks in the 4th or 5th round. we don't really have a lot of
    quality picks.

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  14. I agree completely here, Will Allen- exactly
    Soliai- Definitley much more valuable in a 4-3 scheme, plus I feel like he made tremendous strides last year in becoming a legitimate NFL player. Should be worth something maybe a a 5th?

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  15. From what I've read (and what's on your site) we have a 4th round draft pick but not a 5th.  I would think standard would be one pick per round so I'd say we have a slightly above average draft selection.

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  16. We have the 107th pick. That is in the 4th round.

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  17. Big Dawg,
    Tin is correct! Not having any 4th or 5th round picks definitly hurts. The 3-5 rounds are where you find the most value and surprising gems.

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  18. TIn, I think we have a 4th rounder no? The 5th we gave to KC, but where'd the 4th go?

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  19. Knight,
    I agree that Soliai could be excellent trade bait and a package deal for additional picks, or to move up in the draft would work. Which teams do you think would be able to use him? A 4-3 defense?

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  20. Hey where have I been !!!!  Tin can you remind me of how we managed to only have 3 picks in the first 5 rounds ?  How did that happen I never realized that.

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  21. I agree Knight. Allen would be great in the nickle and soliai could easily be a 4th with his size and development.

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  22. Tin, great report. I definitely see the first 2 but didnt they try to trade Ginn all year last year? Id love to see him bring us more picks because we do need them even is we still have a 4th.

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  23. Ronnie probably wont find a great deal after next year. He is on the wrong side of 30 and teams have seen what paying for an Edge or Alexander gets them.

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  24. Bam,

    I definitely see a 4-3 but maybe a 3-4 might see if they can improve on what we have done. I dont usually believe in the change of scenery excuse but it can bring in picks so let them believe.

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  25. Oh, I was wrong, we have one 4th, 3 three 6ths and two 7ths. I don't know
    why I thought we didn't have a 4th. But keep in mind, while we're at 107
    right now, we will move down a few spaces once compensatory picks are added
    at the end of the 3rd round. They will add some at the end of each round
    after the 3rd, which will make our bottom half move down 3 or 4 picks per
    round, meaning our last pick could end up being the 220th instead of the
    203rd.

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  26. Ronnie Brown will be 29 in 2011. When did that become the 'wrong side' of
    30?

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  27. No they did not try to trade Ginn all last year. Sparano thought Ginn was
    going to be the #1 WR. If that changed once the season started they
    probably only a 2 week window at best, and they wouldn't go from thinking he
    was the number 1 guy to being trade bait in the span of 3 or 4 games.
    Honestly I think the trade department was on holiday at that time anyway
    since they let Matt Roth go for nothing. He could have easily gotten a 5th
    if not a 4th round pick.

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  28. It sounded as if their was a major rift between players/coaches, but more and more it sounds like Joey trying to drag everyone down with him......If Crowder doesn't want to be perceived as being on board with Joey the Malcontent, he might want to clarify.  But yeah, I read Channing and Ronnie are good buds.  So it must be true......

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  29. I remember Brown saying in an interview that he only really hung out with
    Ricky, Cobbs, and one or two of the linemen.
    I don't think Ronnie is big into fishing and I know Crowder practically
    lives on the water.
    In any event, it's really not relevant to what happens on the field or in
    the locker room.

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  30. Tin, I should have said closer to 30 which isnt good for a RB. We have Ronnie through 2010. How many will want to give a close to 30 RB a long contract with money?

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  31. Damn, I thought I read that somewhere. Yeah I would have liked to see us get something from Roth.

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  32. Well, ultimately the Ronnie Brown camp will try to get an extension this
    year to probably keep him signed through 2013.
    Ronnie's not going anywhere, he wants be in Miami and he'll ultimately take
    a home-town discount if he needs to.

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  33. Tin, thank you for the comment regarding the Herald and CC. I reread the armando blog after reading your comment and realized you're exactly right, he said nothing inflamatory.

    He did make a mistake that I bet the trifecta will be unhappy with though: he gave joey a soapbox when he knew what joey would talk about. My new prediction is that they try to shop CC for a fair trade this offseason (maybe that missing middle rounder (I'd prefer a 3rd) you've referred too?), but won't let him go for nothing, let alone cut him. Even though he's not very popular with the fans, he's still better then all the other ILBs on the team, and there aren't many to start with. Marriage of neccesity.

    Which brings me to Soliai. I don't agree he's on the chopping block. He's not what you want maybe, but he is a neccesity and not expendable (unless of course you get enough in trade offer for him to replace him through the draft, but I wouldn't count on it). Like Crowder, I think Soliai has more value as a player then most finfans give him credit for (J. Allen too!)

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  34. BTW, outside of a trade, I'll also be shocked if TG is not on the 2010 roster. He's not exactly waiver wire fodder even though he's not the next tim brown. He's got a high cap value, but this year that won't matter since he's only going to cost Ross a little over a million (the remainder of his cap value is attributable to his already recieved signing bonus which much be prorated...blahblahblah). His upside is probably worth a million to management is my guess.

    Here's what I will concede though, I get shocked all the time by Dolphins personnel moves!

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  35. I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to Soliai as a 'necessity'. I
    would say a Nose Tackle is a necessity, but in my opinion, Soliai is not a
    nose tackle, therefore he's not a necessity in my eyes.
    If we draft a nose tackle, then someone is going to have to go, and I don't
    think Soliai is better than Starks, Merling, McDaniel, Langford and probably
    whoever the new DT would be. If he's 6th on the depth chart, or 3rd at NT,
    he's hardly 'not expendable' in my mind.
    I think Crowder was probably asked by the radio station to get Joey to call
    in. I don't think he was trying to rock the boat, just being his usual
    unfiltered self.
    I'm not saying I don't want to upgrade from Crowder, because I do, but of
    the 4 ILBs currently on the team, he is the best, and there's no one of his
    value available in free agency so it would be pointless to let him go,
    because then we'd end up with Ayodele and Torbor starting together in 2010
    which would probably be a disaster.

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  36. Sounds good to me. Having an elite back who does run our WC keeps one need off the board.

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  37. Jahndoh, if there's no cap, then where does the million come from? I know
    his salary is about 1 million, but they still have to pay him the bonus
    regardless of the cap situation. I think he is due approx $3 mill this
    year.
    I think too many people think that having no cap means that teams will
    overspend this year. I disagree. Without a minimum requirement, I can't
    see why most teams wouldn't work as hard as they could to *reduce* the
    payroll rather than raise it.

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  38. The Knight who says NiFebruary 3, 2010 at 3:55 PM

    Bam-Bam, any 4-3 team looking for a big body in the middle to help with run defense could be interested in Soliai. He's gotten better so this would be a good time for a team to get him heading into his prime. That is if the trifecta doesn't feel he's got what it takes to be a NT. I'm still not convinced he can't be. He's only been playing the position for 2 years.

    This offseason is going to be interesting.

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  39. Jahndoh !!!!  What's up man..  I haven't seen you comment very much over on SS.  They seem to be falling apart over there, I don't what their problem is.  It's good to see you here anyway, and I know you still won't like what I say most of the time, but that's OK.  I'm not the easiest person to get to know or understand.

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  40. The Knight who says NiFebruary 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM

    Would you make this deal?

    The Dolphins send their #12, Ginn, Soliai and one of their DEs (any one of them) to the Rams for #1 overall and the chance to pick Suh?

    I would and the reason is I feel Suh is going to become one of those nightmare players teams have to deal with every week. He can play all over the DL and create havoc and take advantage of week link Olinemen like what the Eagles and Packers did with Reggie White. Sometimes he was at his natural LDE position, then DT between the guard and center, then over center, back to LDE. I don't remember him playing RDE, but I'm sure he did that too.

    Suh has that kind of talent. I don't know if he's as fast as Reggie White was. I heard he once ran a 4.65 at 6-5 285. That's crazy, especially back in Reggie's early days. Big guys didn't run that fast. But I haven't seen a DT toss OL around the way Suh does in a long time. Reggie White did in college. For awhile UM was producing dominant DTs who did that for the NFL. Suh is truly a beast. I was surprised to see how quick he was on his feet and his ability to pursue. That and the fact that he never gives up on the play.

    Suh would step right in and play 30-35 snaps per game in our DL rotation. Early on being a rookie he might play one position more often, but in time he could line up anywhere and cause problems for opposing teams' blocking schemes.

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  41. Knight,

    The Lions need DTs badly and they said bryant johnson needs to do more as a #2WR...Id hate to give up one of our DEs though. Maybe pack Wilson off to them and it would be perfect. They would get 3 possible starters and we'd have the most dominant DE in the draft.

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  42. I would make that deal because even if Suh doesn't pan out to be the next
    reggie white, you still don't lose anything irreplaceable. The odds are
    pretty good that he will turn out to be a beast in the NFL.

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  43. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 6:42 AM

    Japman, the Rams pick 1st overall. No guarantee that Suh is there at #2.

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  44. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 6:42 AM

    Agreed.

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  45. So Pennington wants to back up Henne?  I'd love that depth at QB.  Great mentor for Henne.  Now what do we do with Thigpen and White?  Who does everyone want us to get rid of this question is so hard help me.............

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  46. "Who does everyone want us to get rid of this question is so hard help
    me............. "
    say what?
    I don't understand the last sentence, but let's be honest, Pennington is not
    going to beat out Thigpen in early competition after his surgery, but even
    with his throwing arm in a sling, I think he could out-throw White. Still,
    I don't see the Dolphins taking him back. It would be stupid to let Thigpen
    go just to keep Pennington on the bench and they will never say never when
    it comes to Parcell's pleasure pick, Pat White.
    The fact that Pennington suddenly changed his mind and wants to back up
    Henne and stay with a staff that knows him, indicates to me that his
    recovery isn't going that well and he doesn't think he can compete to start
    anymore. Let's be honest, the Cardinals would love to have him, and I'm not
    altogether convinced that the Jets wouldn't take him back either. There's
    several other locations he'd have a better chance at competing in, but I
    think he wants to try Miami again so his influence can outweigh his
    post-surgery ability.

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  47. Here we go with the break down of the picks:
    These are the picks that we have not given up
    1st - 12, 2nd - 44, 3rd - 73, 4th - 107, 6th - 169, 7th - 203.

    We traded our 5th to KC for Thigpen

    We received 6th - 163 from Redskins in the Jason Taylor Trade
    We received 6th - 164 from KC in the Alleman and Ndukwe trade
    We received 7th - 196 from KC last year when we traded them our 7th in the draft. (That pick we had receieved from Carolina in the McCown trade in 2008) So 2 years later we might actually get something out of the McCown trade!!!

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  48. Ginn's salary is 2.8 in Signing Bonus and 1.036m from base contract in 2010.

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  49. LOL, thanks Ralph. It's always interesting to see the timeline of the
    picks.
    I still can't believe we traded Travis McDaniels for a 7th, McCown for a
    7th, Satele for a 4th and we couldn't get anything for Matt Roth.
    Ultimately we should have traded Porter after the 2008 season too, but
    hindsight is 20/20.

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  50. did i miss something, did pennington say he wouldnt mind coming back to miami even if it is as a backup?

    something funny you guys will like.  jen sterger (yeah the fsu ho) was just on a local radio station.  the host asked her as she was working for the jets last year if she got hit on a lot by the players, she of course went on and on about it.  she said only two players really scared her, one was chad johnson (cause of his grill) and the other was....wait for it.....wait.... channing crowder.  she basically said he made up is own rap about killing people and in a nutshell the guy was crazy and needed some mental help.  she even said the trainer laughed with her and said, 'yeah he is nuts, he needs help'

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  51. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 8:21 AM

    We didn't get a 4th for Satele. We got a 6th and swapped 4ths with the Raiders.

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  52. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 8:23 AM

    Has the compensation for the Alleman/Ndukwe deal been confirmed? I have yet to read that anywhere. We've all been speculating that it's a 6th round pick.

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  53. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 8:27 AM

    I don't think Pennington would ever go back to the Jets.

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  54. ffr, pennington's agent said it.

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  55. <span>oh ok.  i didnt hear it. tin............................HOW ABOUT THEM BULLS.  i am not a big basketball fan but damn, how about knocking off #7 and at their house.  did you see skip hotlz first recruiting class.  wasnt to bad, even had a few 5 stars flip to usf</span>

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  56. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 8:34 AM

    I can't imagine how Pennington can keep damaging his shoulder and keep coming back to play at this level. His arm strength has been questioned for years. Can he even match what he was before the injury, and if his arms is weaker than before I think it's time to hang it up.

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  57. I don't think he would either.  And if he does, he's dead to me.

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  58. ffr, we didn't get any 5 stars, lay off the sauce. we got a couple of 4
    stars, and several 3 stars, but no 5 stars. I don't get to excited about HS
    recruits, because you have no idea what position they'll end up playing,
    what their playing weight will be and when or if they will even play at
    all. They recruited a DE who is 205 lbs soaking wet....obviously he's not
    going to play DE in college.
    The cornerback they got from Hillsborough is supposed to be the real deal
    though.
    I don't follow basketball these days but I did see the headlines that they
    beat Georgetown. Not bad. When I attended USF we had Chucky Adkins on the
    team - remember him? I think he's in the NBA now.

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  59. oh, wel either way we got a good turnaround for him, and got nothing for
    Roth. Satele was injured and coming off a bad year. Roth was coming off a
    good year and showed more upside and position flexibility.

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  60. Knight, you asked this a few weeks ago. It was a 6th, that's why we have 3
    6th round picks.

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  61. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 9:14 AM

    I've just never read or heard it as official. It's all been speculation on our part up to now. Did you read or hear about it anywhere?

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  62. I think you are wrong, wrong, wrong!  That is 2 times more wrong than just a regular, run of the mill wrong in case you are wondering!  I don't think he changed his mind about anything.  It was in the Herald after all, so who knows what they really said!.  From what I recall, he has said he would LIKE the opportunity to compete for a starting spot somewhere.  To me that says if he doesn't beat out whoever, then he's the back up.  Sparano wouldn't come out and say Henne was the starter next year...well if not him then who?  White?  LMAO  Thigpen?  I don't think that either.  So I don't think Tony has completely shut the door on him either.  And I didn't listen to the Parcells thing the other day, but from what I read, I think all he said was that Chad wanted to play and not be a coach.  Nothing in that statement says it won't be in Miami.  

    I don't expect you to agree and not trying to convince anyone.  Except maybe me!  lol ;)

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  63. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM

    I've moved on with the Roth thing. There is nothing we can do about it. It's not as bad as still complaining about the Ginn pick in 2007 but it's the same thing, what's done is done.

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  64. Pennington needs to suck it up and
    Go into coaching
    Half a season is the best U are going to get from Chad P

    Henne is our Dolphin Franchise QB
    Dolphin management/coaches totally screwed up Pat White

    Today
    Pat White should put the gloves on and go back to his instinct throwing and throwing motion utilizing his legs and athletic elusiveness
    Pat White will never
    Nor never
    Should have been forced to try to be a NFL 6.4 or better prototypical drone QB
    Pat White is simply not that
    Instincts
    Pure Instincts
    That is Pat White

    Henne and "Ivan Drago" can be developed into a superior prototypical NFL drone QB with a laser arm

    Pat White will never be that man
    What the Hell was the Trifecta thinking?

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  65. Comments Tinshaker
    If U have rewatched and/or studied the play and positioning of overrated sean smith now that the season is over
    Comments on 1st game against Atlanta if U
    Rewatched and studied his positioning not just the results(Atlanta QB threw awful & erratic)

    and last game against Pittsburgh

    I will hang up and check back

    CHEERS!

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  66. yes I did, I think it was on NFL.com and it was on PFT and Wikipedia.
    "Kansas City to Miami. Kansas City traded its 2010 sixth-round selection to
    Miami for OL Andy Alleman and Ikechuku Ndukwe"

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  67. lol, yeah, that is what will make me lay off the sauce.  cause you said so not my mom, kids, siblings, but all cause you said so  LOL

    well, as far as following hs recruits, i dont either.  i was just repeating what the local sports show was saying.  and if we didnt get any 5 stars then they are wrong.  they said some guy flipped from fsu and went to usf and was a 5 star.  i remember when the U was winning all those natl championships and they never had a top ten recruiting class.  so i think the only thing you can take from it, is seeing what schools kids want to go to and if the school is making a name for itself.

    as far as b-ball, when i was there it was the great charlie bradley and lee rose coaching.....damn i am old

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  68. Yeah, HSB2010, I was pretty disappointed in Sean Smith last season. I
    thought Vontae Davis played miles better but the media used stats to claim
    differently. Some people just don't get how stats can be misleading.
    Everyone assumes that a 300+ yd passing game is a good thing, a sign of an
    elite QB, but the reality is, plenty of crap QBs have thrown 300+yd games
    because their team was being slaughtered and they had to throw 50 times in a
    game. Likewise with number of catches and receiving yards. Sometimes it's
    an indication of consistency and reliability, but it also can be a product
    of the rest of the team sucking so bad they have to rely on that one
    receiver. That's why I think the Saints WRs are the best in the league,
    none of them have huge stats, but all of them get thrown to and make plays.
    The media sometimes needs to stop reading other media and just watch the
    damn games. A stat line doesn't tell the whole story, otherwise we could
    say that 95% of all professional soccer players suck because they barely if
    ever score any goals.

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  69. the only good thing about chad coming back is herdfan will stick around for another season

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  70. no 5 stars. we got two 4 stars and both were on the ESPN top 150 list. I
    think the CB is the one who had offers from 5 or 6 top schools and chose to
    stay in Tampa. We also got a 300lb DT who had 4 or 5 other offers from big
    programs.
    When I was at USF, we used to play intramurals every Thursday, and then one
    day Jim Leavitt showed up with his single wide trailer and kicked us off the
    field.....

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  71. Awwww, how nice.  btw, I have never said I was going anywhere.  People make these assumptions.   lol

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  72. And wait one minute there ffr, you could do a lot worse than CP.  Don't get me all riled up here.  I have work to do!

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  73. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 9:54 AM

    Alrighty then! Thank you sir!

    Nothing like getting a draft pick for two players who weren't going to make the team. LOL

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  74. first, you said it yourself you werent sure if you would be back if pennington wasnt.  and second .... i can get your riled up?

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  75. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM

    I say don't lay off the sauce, dive head first into a pool of tequila and whiskey and go to town with your bad self.  :-E

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  76. Actually I think Sparano's hesistation *was* due to the fact that Thigpen
    came in and was sensational.
    But I should mention I didn't read the Pennington stuff at the Herald.
    However, if the agent says he wants to stay in Miami, then it must be true,
    because the agent would be trying to get Pennington the best deal possible
    with a chance to start. He's not going to get that in Miami.
    I know you're his biggest fan, but there's no way Pennington can compete
    with Henne now. Henne has the experience now and the arm, and Pennington
    has shoulder that's been repaired how many times now? And he didn't have
    good zip on the ball before, not to mention he stunk it up last year before
    being injured.
    I really think that Sparano was intending to move Henne in anyway and the
    injury just pushed that move up a few weeks.

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  77. i think it speaks well of skip that he was able to get the recurits he got with only being there for a few weeks. 

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  78. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 9:59 AM

    Work to do? Boobie work?  ;)

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  79. tin,

    i agree stats can be misleading.  but there is something to be said about the amount of times ss was thrown against.  imho, i think both played well at times and poorly at times last year.  either way, i think we have a bright future at corner.

    and 95% of all professional soccer players suck because the fall down and roll around like they are on fire every time someone runs by them

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  80. question: what can pennington do that henne cant do?

    answer:  make herdfan get all 'riled' up

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  81. Gotcha Tinshaker

    Good to See
    Your eyes work well

    My eyes also work well
    as stated since Dolphin Camp 2009
    Sometimes U have to stand alone and take the Ridicule and Beatings
    As U wait for the Truth to Unfold

    I`m picking the Saints in the SB
    Even though they are playing against the Manning Machine

    Keepongroovin
    HSB2010

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  82. "and 95% of all professional soccer players suck because the fall down and
    roll around like they are on fire every time someone runs by them "
    LOL
    Come on, that's simply not true. It's more like 92%.
    My favorite team doesn't really have any players like that but keep in mind,
    in order to get a foul called, they have to fall down. They will not get a
    whistle like NBA players do just by being hacked or touched on the
    fingertips on a shot. They have to show that the touch impeded their
    progress by falling down. There's a big difference between showing the foul
    and just taking a dive. In fact, I think basketball would be better if in
    order to get a foul, a player shooting a three who got a little love tap on
    the wrist would then have to fall backwards about 6 feet or do a full
    backflip to suggest the force was such that warranted a foul.
    Every sport has it's chicken-shit fouls, but it's just easier to see in
    soccer because of all the space around the action (rarely do you have more
    than 3 players within a 10 yard space in the open field). Even the NFL has
    it's bogus tuck rules and pass interference calls.

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  83. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM

    LOL

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  84. I'm picking the Saints too, but only because I want everyone to move on from
    the whole Hurricane Katrina thing and what better way than to have a big
    party which they will do if the Saints win. Plus, let's be honest, the way
    the Colts handled the end of the season, do they really deserve it? These
    jackasses allowed the Jets to push us out of the playoffs. So I root
    against any team that helps out the Jets.

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  85. ok ok, dont get all defensive.  i told you before i am a soccer fan.  it is just that is what prevents the sport from becomming big time in the US.  and the showing a file isnt an issue.  it is the flopping around like they were on fire and then the 'magic' sponge comes out and they are fine.  i know there is no timeouts like there are in every other sport, so i understand the need to for the delay, but the casual fan just sees some guy faking it.

    and as far a b-ball goes, that is all a joke, do they even have traveling rules anymore.  the pro game has gone to hell, i wont even put it on.  i would rather watch 24 hours of barry manilow then a nba game

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  86. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 10:36 AM

    Funny Tebow stuff.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tebow-to-Jags-talk-isn-t-sitting-well-with-at-le?urn=ncaaf,217616

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  87. yeah, cause the saints winning will do so much for hurricane katrina victims.  it is over, move on.  that city has been provided more federal money and they still cant recover.  heck LA received more federal funds then any state in the union.  the problem is corrupt govt officials that keep getting voted into office. 

    no with that said,  it would be fun seeing the saints win.  the colts winning we get to hear how manning is the greatest qb to ever play the game and how HE won two sb's. 

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  88. I don't know, I could fake my way through the NBA game for a couple of hours
    but 24 hrs of Manilow? Better not be any icepicks nearby....

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  89. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM

    The problem is New Orleans and much of Louisiana is corrupt. Have been for years. Just talk to some people who live there.

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  90. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 10:53 AM

    Funny Tebow stuff.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tebow-to-Jags-talk-isn-t-sitting-well-with-at-le?urn=ncaaf,217616

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  91. Did you see that Jim Theismann said on the radio that Tebow should have
    retired after college? ouch

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  92. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 11:00 AM

    I like some Barry Manilow. 24 hours and I'm with Tin looking for the icepicks. LOL

    He's very talented and has written some amazing melodies and hits over the years. He's also written most of the classic jingles you've ever heard.

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  93. But what if you think all classic jingles are shit?
    My only real beef with manilow is that he keeps singing. Some people were
    meant to write the songs, not sing them.

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  94. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM

    I'm just saying the guy is very talented. I liked a lot of his songs that he sung back in the 70s. Some of his tunes were songs that made me think of the girl I liked when I was around 12. Like 'Mandy'. LOL

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  95. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM

    Is that Joe's brother?

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  96. tin, barry agrees with you, he even told you:

    I write the songs that make the whole world sing.
    I write the songs of love and special thing s.
    I write the songs that make the young girls cry.
    I write the songs, I write the songs.

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  97. you have to be  a paid professional to retire!  


     only USC players can retire after college

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  98. What did I say? I meant Joe.....hectic over here. new post up.

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  99. That's odd, 'Mandy' makes me think of gratuitous violence...

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  100. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    Huh?

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  101. What is THIS?  Seriously, a Barry Manilow discussion at the football blog?  Really?  Next thing I'll find out you carry one of those man purses around.  ummmm, not that there's anything wrong with that!  lol

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  102. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM

    That would be considered Metrosexual in these parts. Not my thing but most people in the NY Metro area don't care what anyone else thinks about anything anyway. LOL

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  103. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 11:48 AM

    ffr probably carries a man purse to keep his his extra shoes in so he has them.  :-D

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  104. I do carry a manpurse.....but it's full of manly stuff...

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  105. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM

    That could be taken the wrong way. It's filled with manly stuff? LOL

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  106. Hey I love the metrosexual types, they are very good customers.  

    And even though I kid about the purse thing, I don't know how guys do without one.  I wish i could, but I have too much sh*t to carry around.  How DO you do it?  :-D

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  107. Ohhh, like what, do tell?

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  108. The Knight who says Ni!February 4, 2010 at 12:25 PM

    Most of us don't wear make-up or need to carry those monthly supplies with us. A wallet usually does the trick.

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  109. I don't like carrying a wallet so I just scatter all my cards, cash, spent
    tissues, etc. in the bottom of my purse....oh wait, that's what I *would* do
    if I were a woman...no but seriously I don't like bulky stuff in my pockets,
    and with the keys, phone, wallet, pens, etc I find it easier to carry the
    purse. In the day men all carried this stuff in the briefcases, but failed
    to realize they were sacrificing an arm all day long.

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  110. sorry three sentences in one....

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  111. The Knight who says Ni!February 5, 2010 at 6:43 AM

    That's true. As long as you don't skip with your man purse you're okay.  ;)

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  112. lol. i don't skip, period.
    the occasional electric slide in the middle of the grocery store maybe, but
    no skipping...

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  113. IMHO,(FOR THE MOST PART) TG gets a badd rapp!!
    He ONLY has 5 rec TDs in his 3 yrs,(granted HORRIBLE),
    but he's been wide-open deep @LEAST 10 to 15 other times(conservative guess) 
    only to be under/over thrown,
    or for the QB not having the time to get it to him,(had half of those missed opportunities been executed)
    we're talkin 12 or so rec TDs in 3 yrs(basically close to averaging his career total output)...

    Then of course there are the missed ONES/TDs that were his fault,
    (though FOR THE MOST PART),under heavy duress..
    He gets his hands and mind working together,he's GONNA become a SERIOUS THREAT!!

    He also has ONLY 2 rushing TDs, but I recall a couple of those type TDs,
    along with SEVERAL K/punt returns that were called back due to(WHATEVER),
    that were out of TGs control!!

    I'd guess-to-mate the missed opps to be somewhere near the 500 yrd mark in the pass receiving stat-line,
    meaning POTENTIALLY he's good for near his 790 yrds in 08 on a yrly basis,(@the least)...

    IFFFF everyone(incl TG),everything,on every play is executed semi-correctly over the duration of his career,
    we're talkin in the neighberhood of 20 TDs in 3 yrs!!
    It hasn't gone that way thus-far,but I personally STILL see the potential!!
    He ONLY has 3 fumbles in 180 touches!!

    I believe we need @LEAST 2 FASSSST gyz/DEEP THREATS, the ""NEW GUY"",and TG !!!

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  114. P.S. TG has only had a substantial NFL-WISE QB with CP during 08(TGs career yr)!!

    07 TGs rookie yr,(1-15 TGreen,CLemon,JBeck),PLEEAAASSSEEE,(CAN'T blame TG for that dabacle or his stats) !!!

    09 Basically a Rookie starter,(HENNE) who IMHO WILL BE an NFL-WISE QB in o10,(JUSTIFYING TG)!!

    I KNOWWW TGs NOT a ONE,but he's @LEAST a 3,4,or 5,while realizing that he's under-produced,
    he seems to be a humble type person and would likely understand/agree to playin for #2/3 type dollars..

    I HOPE the ""NEW GUY"" is Dez Bryant in the 2nd rnd,(but doubt that he'll last beyond the 1st)!!

    The NON-CBA might set-back ""OUR"" CHAMPIONSHIP timetable,
    I'm sure many teams 3 yr gameplan's have been altered!!!

    We've chosen our gyz over the last 2 yrs,while assuming this guy/that guy @ this position/that position
    MIGHT be UNRESTRICTEDLY available in o10 FA!!
    I'm SURE ""OUR"" initial plan will take a MAJOR detour IFFF the CBA doesn't get resolved ASAP/IMMEDIATLY!!
    (NOT LIKELY),and I see it effecting the up-and-coming teams,more than the firmly established!!
    WHAT's NEW,the rich stay rich if not get richer!!

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