Friday, May 14, 2010

Line 'em up, Back them down

I recently proposed some examples of how the Dolphins secondary and receiving corps could look come September (seems so far away doesn't it?).  Today I'm speculating about the linebackers - possibly the most interesting group of 2010, since so many changes are likely from the previous season.

I'll be perfectly honest by saying I was not very impressed with Koa Misi in the Utah games I watched this past season.  In the Cal/Utah Poinsetta Bowl, he was just about the most invisible person on the field.  I think he had a half-sack and a hurry, but other than that he looked undersized, slow, and barely average.  Now, to be fair, he was playing DE on every down, so it's hard to see how he would be standing up as a linebacker.  I have to believe he has the tools, and I recall him flashing a bit in that role at the Senior Bowl.  But I'm still a skeptic after watching that Bowl game.  He was in for a good 45 snaps and he made 2 or 3 plays - not impressive.

AJ Edds on the other hand, had sort of the opposite impression on me - he failed to impress me in the off-season, but looks pretty well-polished on game tape.  Ultimately this kid looks to have more upside in the long run and it wouldn't surprise me if he was a team-captain as early as his 3rd season.  I personally think he will replace Reggie 'big contract' Torbor pretty much immediately and I wouldn't be surprised to see Torbor gone before Training Camp.

Austin Spitler is likely competing to make the practice squad.  Not a knock on him - he has upside, but is a victim of a crowded interior.  Ultimately I think both Crowder and Dansby are 3-down LBs with Edds playing the nickel role.  If Torbor is kept as well, then there is zero chance Spitler makes the final cut.  I think if it comes down to choosing between keeping a 4th ILB or an extra TE/WR/RB, that Sparano will choose the offensive player.

To me, the most intriguing new LB is the one taken with the 212th pick, Chris McCoy, out of Middle Tennessee State.  A small school guy, the only non-team-captain chosen by the Trifecta, he looks immediately at first glance like a raw player with lots of potential.  Ultimately if he wants to make the team he's going to have to be a scholar with the playbook and show he can play with the big boys because I think he wins an athleticism and upside battle with holdovers like Quentin Moses and Brian Johnston.

I don't really have much to say about Karlos Dansby.  To put it bluntly he was the top prize of the free agency period and we got him.  He is a beast of a player and should be a good influence in the locker room.  I expect Mike Nolan will use Dansby as a blitz specialist throughout the season.  Expect him to be a disruptive player.

Channing Crowder is by no means a lock to be on the team in 2010, but he's closer to one than every LB not named Dansby.  He will continue to be a run-stopper LB, coming out on passing downs, but he could have a breakout year due to Nolan's blitz packages.  I don't know off the top of my head what Crowder's best sack total is, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring in 6 or 7 this season.

Now, here are my prospective groupings for the 2010 season:


SCENARIO 1:

SCENARIO 2:

SCENARIO 3:


SCENARIO 4:

89 comments:

  1. Tin
    Congratulations on your 500th blog - you are so modest you didn't even acknowledge it. Also, thanks for the service you provide with this blog from both a lively discussion and a streaming/chatting on gameday point of view. Great work man!

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  2. 500th post, eh?  Alright, see you guys later, I'm going to get pissed!!

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  3. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:26 AM

    Agreed. :)

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  4. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:32 AM

    Tin,

    Let me get this stright...In the first two scenarios you don't even have Tim Dobbins making the team????  And if that isn't bad enough you are calling him 'Lee???'  LOL!!!

    I think the reason why Torbor doesn't make this team is that we just drafted Edds & we just traded for Dobbins so with Dansby & Crowder that would give us four ILB's.

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  5. Is Lee Dobbins some joke that I don't get or just a mistake...
    Anyways, i thought Koa looked damn good in the senior bowl at olb, especially in coverage for a guy who mostly played end in college. Did good against the run, getting to the ball as well.

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  6. Tin, I could see them keeping at least one extra LB and maybe two because Parcells believes in using LBs on special teams. A couple of those late guys like Spitler and McCoy could have been drafted specifically to run down on special teams.

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  7. I think we take 4 ilb's as well.

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  8. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:38 AM

    IMO--It appears that we'll keep a total of 8 LB's.  As for the WOLB, I'm going with Wake & McCoy/Walden & Misi & Moses as the SOLB's.

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  9. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:41 AM

    Patrick,

    I don't see how we can carry more than a total of 8 LB's since I see 4 ILB's & 4 OLB's making the team.

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  10. No Charlie Anderson?

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  11. Who is Lee Dobbins?  LOL

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  12. Yeah he looked good at the senior Bowl (I did actually mention that), but the poinsetta bowl he was lame.  The cameras were on him all game inbetween snaps, despite the fact he wasn't making any plays.

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  13. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:46 AM

    Tryp,

    I didn't see much of anything out of Anderson last year.  Did you???  I'm hoping that Moses emerges as a plyer this year but we'll see how things shake out once the pre-season starts.

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  14. Now that sounds like a REALLY good idea - I'm off to do that very thing right now. Have a great weekend guys.

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  15. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM

    Tin,

    I think it's the name of a character from a movie.

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  16. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 10:53 AM

    What I really like most about having all these new LB's is all of the different options we have.  I have this feeling that Edds is going to be to our biggest surprise on defense the way Brian Hartline was to our offense last year.

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  17. The problem is I copied it off my roster, and I had it listed as lee on there so the error carried over.  Honestly, I don't think he'd beat out Crowder, and I don't think he has the upside of Edds, so I don't think he'll make it unless we move Dansby outside or we keep 4 ILB

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  18. I know you mentioned it, but recalling him flashing a bit... wasn't rave review enough for me!!! lol, anyways he was pretty invisible in the game you're talking about yes... I think that was also his statistical worst game of the year.

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  19. I don't know why we wouldn't take at least 8 linebackers... we took 9 last year

    Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, Channing Crowder, Akin Ayodele, Reggie Torbor, Charlie Anderson, Cam Wake, Erik Walden, Quentin Moses

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  20. There's really no room for any sole ST players unless its a kick returner.

    Remember, there only 11 guys on the kickoff team, and one's a Kicker.  two on the outside are gunners, usually corner or running back.  then you need two more speedy guysin the slots, corners/safeties/WRs/rbs.  That's 5 guys, leaving six open slots.  Your 2nd and 3rd TE are going to be on ST - no question there.  4 spaces, with 4 backup LBs, there's no reason to have a 5th one.

    A LB who'd be the 3rd or 4th tackler to the ball on kickoffs does not warrant a roster spot.

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  21. Well, this time last year we had Crowder, Ayodele, Torbor and Folsom.  Crowder was our best ILB.  And nobody else seemed like starter material.  Now we have a pro bowl-claliber ILB in Dansby, Crowder possibly coming off the field on passing downs for Edds and Dobbins, Folsom and Spitler competing for probably 1 53-man spot (with Torbor getting cut soon).  Quite a change - now we have depth and talent at this spot.  Our OLBs all have question marks though.  From JT & JP to Wake and Misi?  Good for the long-term but questionable for 2010.  Wake isn't a sure 3-down player, Misi is a complete question mark, McCoy has skillz but needs time to learn, Walden hasn't down a thing outside of ST, Moses hasn't had much game time to show if he can do anything (though it seems he can rush the QB) and Charlie "6 Flags" Anderson has shown he can ring up penalties with the best of them.  We need Wake & Misi on be good this year. 

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  22. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM

    Tryp,

    You're right.  I thought we had 8 LB's last year.  Then maybe we do keep Anderson even though I thought he was virtually invisible last year.

    This entire off-season should be an excellent battle at both OLB spots.  From what I understand we have no interest in adding Adalius Thomas so unless it's we add a pure pass rushing specialist like a Greg Ellis or a Bertrand Berry, as odd as it sounds Dansby @ 28 may be our oldest LB.

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  23. Dansby is only 2 months older than Wake... It's funny cause everyone treats Wake like he's one of the youngsters.. when really he'll be amongst our 3 oldest starters on defense should he start at wolb as we suspect he will. He's new to the nfl, but he ain't no spring chicken.

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  24. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 11:30 AM

    Psu,

    Porter was a MAJOR disappointment last year & b/c of the Matt Roth fiasco, Taylor, out of pure necessity was playing out of position.   Therefore I don't think we lost that much in terms of playmaking ability from either player.  Obviously there are question marks with the OLB's we have but Wake clearly demonstrated that he can rush the pass better than anyone we had on this team last year.  In addition, our personnel guys must have seen immediate starting ability from Misi (I hope???) to draft him when we did.

    I'm pretty certain that Parcells' will go out & sign a veteran if we need another pass rusher.

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  25. yeah but only 3ILBs

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  26. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    Tryp,

    I know.  I looked up Wake's age before I posted that on Dansby.  Hey, the guy's a late bloomer.  Better late than never right???

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  27. Yeah, it was only 3, but I think that just had to do with where the depth was... Now that we have more depth at ilb i'd be stunned if we don't take 4.

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  28. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM

    Tin,

    Maybe I'm wrong but I'd be kind of surprised if we made that trade with SD & didn't plan on keeping Dobbins around.  I think keeping 4 ILB's makes sense especially with Crowder's list of assorted ailments.

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  29. We Have PlaymakersMay 14, 2010 at 11:51 AM

    I didn't realize that Dobbins actually started 8 games for the Chargers in 2008 (who were one of the best teams in the NFL) & had 57 tackles, 3 FF's, & an INT.  He's not going anywhere.

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  30. Tin,  Why did you not put Pat White on defence?  Seems like a perfect pick to play every position..lol

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  31. Ha, you jest, but I did actually do one with Pat White starting at SOLB but decided not to post.

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  32. Tim The EnchanterMay 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM

    What is a TILB?

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  33. Tall Intoxicating Leggy Blonde

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  34. Tim The EnchanterMay 14, 2010 at 12:26 PM

    And you think that's what Dansby and Dobbins are? LOL

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  35. Busted in a lie: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/14/cushings-battery-of-tests-was-ordered-by-the-league/

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  36. WHP, I'm not advocating for JT or JP, I'm just saying that we have questions at OLB.  However, I do think that our philosophy of D this year will allow multiple players to put pressure on the QB.  It is exciting to think about the havoc we'll hopefully try to create.  Varying schemes cause major problems for opposing teams.  Teams like the Ravens and recently the Jets get by with creativity as much as talent.  Both teams have had holes in the secondary for years, but still get it done.

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  37. Ya know, i'd almost just dismiss him testing positive if he'd just admit it, serve his suspension and just stay clean from that point onward. The fact that he feels the need to be an obvious liar, is more annoying to me. When you get caught red handed, just let it go and accept defeat, don't be a liar.

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  38. Tim The EnchanterMay 14, 2010 at 1:08 PM

    Is that what they call it? I thought it was the Mike and the Moe at ILB and the Will and the Sam at OLB.

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  39. Tim The EnchanterMay 14, 2010 at 1:29 PM

    Okay they obviously have a bunch of names for the LB positions. The Ted lines up on the TE side in the attempt to take on more blockers opening up the MIke to make the tackles. 

    The Dolphins use the Mike and Moe terminology though.

    Talking about Dobbins:
    "He’s a core special teams player, he’s had some starts at inside linebacker at both what we call the ‘Mike’ and ‘Moe,'" Ireland said." 

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  40. I think the numbers we keep at the LB, S, CB and TE will be predicated by which players from those positions are the best special teamers. If several players are on the cut line at those positions the job will go to the player who is more valuable on ST. That makes it hard top predict the numbers for those positions when we haven't seen what the new guys have to offer on STs.

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  41. Tim The EnchanterMay 14, 2010 at 1:37 PM

    Exactly! Special teams decides a lot more than people think when putting the roster together. Some tend to forget that kickoff coverage and returns, punt coverage and returns, XPs and FGs are used quite a bit and are very important parts of the game. Fans yell and scream about this guy and that guy getting cut but they scream a lot louder when the special teams sucks! LOL

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  42. It's those hidden yards Sparano always harps on... Not just the big returns but field position plays a huge part in games.  Starting form the 30 yard line opens things up versus starting from the 20 or worse because a mistake there will kill you. Conversely, pinning teams down or touchbacks have the same positive affect on defense.

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  43. Happy 500 Tin...rest assured a margarita will be consumed in your honor...now you might be thinking, herdfan always drinks 'rita's on Friday night, but in this case I had been thinking all day that I wouldn't, but now I am!  Thank you Tinshaker!  8-)

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  44. I was thinking that same thing!  Should have posted it.

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  45. Not that it means anything but the Dolphin's Staff were not the only ones that put a fairly high vaiue on Misi, The Cowboys did too (as viewed on their draft board). They had Misi above some of the names that we all knew and wanted. So, football people, are clearly seeing something in this kid. I hope they are right.

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  46. Tim The EnchanterMay 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM

    Misi is going to be good. A lot of people like this kid. Tin caught him when he didn't have standout games. It happens. McCkain didn't have a great BCS Championship game, he was solid.

    Misi has the size, speed and the motor to be a force. I think he's a weak side guy, not strong side. At least not yet. We'll see.

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  47. Scenario one, but I'm not sure Wake is the lock that you have him as in every scenario...(on running plays??)
    CAnderson might be the Wolb starter, (he's good for a hold or two,hopefully on the rb, therefore a tackle)...


    CCasserly, ""I like taking the players they took vs. the one they could have gotten at the 12th pick.""
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13303120/afc-draft-rating-top-picks-intriguing-players-to-follow?tag=pageContainer;TeamNews


    I've been wondering since draft day...

    IFFF the FINS were thinking about the same type of player @ 12 that they were @ 28 (DMorgan, Odrick)???
    I heard from the get-go that DMorgan fit the DE role best in our scheme...
    IFFF so, then KNIGHT might have been right about who we'd of gone after @ 12 (DMorgan)???
    IFFF we weren't able to find a trade partner!!!

    I wonder IFFF the plan b/4 the draft was to move Starks to NT???
    (b/c they could have had any OLB or NT of desire@12), and knew Odrick would be @ 28!!!
    I guess we'll never know IFFF they'd have taken DWilliams if he'd of fell two more spots,
    considering the above thought's, I'd have to think NO ... 

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  48. I tend to agree Tim, Misi will do well, but i have had a really tough time trying to speculate as to whether he will be better at Strong side or weak side. It's hard to imagine that he will be a better pass rusher then Wake right out of the gate but is that a reason to start him at the SAM? I wonder if Wake has a preference? I think his only preference is the shortest rout to the QB's head. Now if he could just drop into coverage...

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  49. ACTUALLY, I like scenario 3 w'minor adjustment's... Don't know that Wake starts on 1st down,(every series)???

       WOLB                         TILB                        MILB                        SOLB
    CAnderson                 KDansby                   CCrowder                     KMisi
       CWake                   TDobbins                   AJEdds                 (QMoses or EWalden)

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  50. I said last yr that PW'd turn into a great olb ifff they'd let him throw the ball...

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  51. I'm not worried about his coverage... he's still pretty green in that area, but he did excellent in the senior bowl and then got rave reviews from the rookie camp. He also played ILB against Arizona, you don't just throw any end at ILB, that shows his staff had some confidence that he could do those things.

    The only thing i'm concerned about is if he can hold up against the run on the strongside yet, I think he needs to be bulked up, He's a little small in the base... his legs look a bit thin when you look at him. Hopefully we can get him bulked up before the season starts.

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  52. PSU you're right we have depth, but we have no idea if we have talent. I would like to think so, but none of us really know what we have until the real deal (regular season) gets here.

    You could also be correct about Crowder being our best ILB, but that just shows how sorry all the linebackers were last year. Dobbins numbers were close to what Crowder put up last year. When a LB puts up the same numbers playing for the Raiders, as out starters do !!  That makes me feel that Crowder is on his way to playing else where.

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  53. Yea he sounds like Tiger Woods. Isn't it funny how Tiger withdrew from the tornament last Sunday the day before the media reported divorce talk from Elin in Palm Beach County.  Wow people get paid very well for lying don't they ?

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  54. ST account for about 30 % of the plays ran in a game.  That was the percentage given a long time ago. I don't see how it has changed that much over the years.

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  55. I think Crowder could be gone.  After or training camp we'll see some guys get traded/released.  If you're patient you can get a team desperate for someone after the training camp injuries take hold.  Thigpen, Crowder, maybe Will Allen? 

    I think Crowder burned his bridge backing up Porter, and don't sleep on the Dobbins pick up.....

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  56. Tim The EnchanterMay 15, 2010 at 9:36 AM

    Absolutely right! Special teams is basically a 3rd of the game. Defense, offense and special teams. You can win and lose a game on special teams just as easy as winning or losing on defense and offense.

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  57. Tim The EnchanterMay 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM

    If Crowder is healthy he'll start. If he starts to have issues with his knees and he's coming off of a foot injury it could be the end for him. That's why we bulked up on ILBs. Dobbins and Edds will be big on special teams with Dobbins adding excellent depth and Edds being a nickel prospect. I think Torbor could be the guy on his way out with his contract. He seems better suited at OLB in a 4-3 than a 3-4 ILB anyway.

    I see Spitler competing with Folsom for the ILB project position.

    At OLB we still need to find out if Wake can play OLB, or is he just a pass rush specialist which is fine. You can find room for a big time pass rusher on your roster. Wake is a demon edge rusher. We all saw it. That's what he did in the CFL racking up 30+ sacks in two years and winning defensive player of the year twice.

    Misi, Anderson, Moses, Walden, McCoy and Johnston will battle it out at OLB. Strong side or weak side I really don't know. Of those 6 probably only 3 make it with Wake as the resident pass rush specialist.

    4 OLB and 4 ILB is probably what will make the final roster. Special teams will be huge and at least 4 of these guys will have to be special teams players to make the 45 man game day roster.

    Dansby, Crowder and Wake probably won't play on special teams. Wake did last year but he didn't stand out. I think they'll want to focus on him rushing the passer most of the time.

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  58. ...despite all the criticism Crowder takes (and often deserves) the run defense sucks when he is out of the lineup ...I'd be certain he was a keeper except that the trifecta has shown a penchant for ridding themselves of anyone who crosses them despite their proven talent.

    ...imnsho THE major change on defense this year isn't anyone we got in FA or the draft, but the change at DC ...what we did last year, what a player did last year is moot at this point ...Nolan plays a very different defense and the numbers and players will be those best suited to it, not last year's defensive scheme ...Nolan is going to attack the QB from every position, much more so than last year ...which is one reason I expect to see as much emphasis on DE as LB in the numbers game ...keeping quality DEs fresh in the rotation means they have the oomph to attack the QB every down if Nolan calls for it ...and that requires bodies at DE.

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  59. ST's is a 3rd of the game, but I don't believe ST's account for 30% of the play's ran in a game...

    Figure, even if there's a kick or a punt after every 3 down's,(that's already 3 offensive play's to each kick),
    and most series aren't 3 & out...

    ST's is a 3rd of the team, and every bit as important to their responsibilities while on the field,
    but their not on the field more than a 4th of the time,(IFF THAT)...


    In a 60 minute game the balls actually in play only about 12 minutes,
    the rest of the time it's just sitting there in the mud, waiting to be hiked, wishing it were a pig!!!

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  60. TIGER doesn't owe ANYBODY but his Wife the truth!!!

    I respect him and any celebrity for not punching some jackass reporter,
    or anybody for delving into their personal business!!
    I'd be cuffed for assault in about a mili-second!! 

    The media thinks their entitled to know what color Tiger's am crap was,
    IT'S NOBODIES BUSINESS but he, his wife, and his doctor's/lawyer's!!

    He dropped-out of the tournament b/c of a neck problem,(his body language/gate clearly illustrated that)!!
    AND IFF he did b/c he wanted to avoid the medias scrutiny over a potential divorce,
    SO WHAT, who can blame him, that stuff hurts badd enough w'out the judgement of others!!

    It's his own fault, we've all F'd-up, and it's nobodies business but those that are involved!!
    IFFF you were famous or who you are and were having family issues that the media insisted upon knowing the fact's of, would you be willing to share???

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  61. Tim The EnchanterMay 15, 2010 at 8:45 PM

    I agree, man. We are building a very big and fast defense. Nolan has a lot to work with.

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  62. We Have PlaymakersMay 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM

    Tryp,

    I couldn't agree more.  Since when did Joey Porter or Matt Roth ever cover anyone???  IMO, the job of the WOLB is to get pressure on the QB & to disrupt the offense whereas the job of the SOLB is to set the edge, make tackles in the back field, & also try to put pressure on the QB.  How can anyone expect an OLB to drop back into coverage when their main job is to put pressure on the other team???  As long as we have a couple of ILB's like Dansby & Edds who can drop back into coverage then I think we'll be fine. 

    I'd be very surprised if Misi isn't bulked up & playing the SOLB once mini-camps start.  If we were looking for a WOLB or a pure pass rusher when in the first or 2nd round, Misi is not the name that leaps to mind.  By drafting Odrick & Misi, I think it sends a message that with Porter gone, Wake is going to get his chance to start.

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  63. Dobbin's was a Charger,
    but yea when a bkup puts up better numbers than a 3 down ILB that say's something!!!

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  64. We Have PlaymakersMay 16, 2010 at 8:53 AM

    13k,

    You have to bear in mind that Anderson was a complete non-factor last year so to put him ahead of Wake as a starter???  I believe last year was Wake's year to learn from veterans like Porter how to play in the NFL, make an impact when he was on the filed, & to prepare to be a starter in 2010.  After watching Wake rush the passer last year & looking at the players we have if Wake is not the starter than I'll be extremely confused why we didn't draft a guy like Jerry Hughes or Sergio Kindle.

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  65. So LTaylor has a charge of ""patronizing"" a prostitute !!!

    Whyyyy is it against the law to tell a prostitute her stufff is tight???

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  66. We Have PlaymakersMay 16, 2010 at 8:59 AM

    I think Crowder will be our starter (assuming he's healthy) b/c he's a very good tackler.  Can he drop back in coverage???  No.  Does he occassionally line up out of position???  Absolutely.  Will he be better playing next to Dansby instead of Ayodele in Mike Nolan's defense???  No doubt about it.

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  67. I'm officially brain dead, but I did know he played on the left coast.  That's pretty good for me..

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  68. I think WAKE will get 25 to 30 opps to rush the QB,
    and 15 or so opps to tackle the RB,while the other LBs split the other run D opps per game...

    I think we'd like to keep Wake as fresh as possible for the late game explosive sack opps!!!
    IFFF he play's all 3downs throughout the game, his legs will be jello by the 4th qtr,IMHO!!!

    Believe me, I have little faith in CAnderson, but someone has to help keep Wake fresh!!!

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  69. LOL ;) !!  
    I knew you meant left coast, but other's might call you names iff you continued suggesting he was a Raider,
    so I was just trying to help for future reference, b/c I know you stick to your guns (right or wrong)!!!  :-P :-D !!

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  70. 13.  I think I will leave this subject alone and say but one thing.  These are the things that happen when you lie.

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  71. Yep good point 1/3 of the game and 30% of the plays are two different thihgs.  Oink Oink...

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  72. LMAO, "oink,oink" !!  TOOOO FUNNNYYY!!!

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  73. Yea you're right I stay with my convictions most of the time, but I will acknowledge when I'm wrong.  I comment on what I see and put very little importance on stats.  The only true stat that means anything is the score at the end of the game.  There were a few games that pointed that out last year.  The one that shows it the best was the second game against the Jets.  We did next to nothing in that game and still won it.  I never looked at the stats of that game, but from my memory of the game I don't see how we lead in any catagories other than kick returns and the score.

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  74. Tim The EnchanterMay 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM

    Teams are exploring the possibility of playing unrestricted free-agent QB JaMarcus Russell (Raiders) at a different position if they signed him, sources told Michael Lombardi, of NationalFootballPost.com.

    LOL, where exactly? OT or TE?

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  75. Hey, Hey, leave the fat guys alone I resemble that..

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  76. Crowder reminds a bit of J Allen he is just on the edge of being a solid ILB.  He just never seems to get there.  This is the year with all the competition from a bunch of young guys.  I think he is on the bubble.  Now that's not a bad thing if her name is Bubbles.

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  77. Did anyone see how Matt Roth is requesting a trade from the Browns? Just found it amussing that this drama over him will not end.

    I vote for JaMarcus Russell to be the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man.... DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!

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  78. ufcane, all we've heard is people bashing Ireland over the Roth deal... Roth is a freaking whiner who thinks he is bigger than the team. If he would've acted in good faith in Miami he would have EARNED his payday. As such he is going to washed out of the league within two years.

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  79. Couldn't agree with you more, it's just too bad that all the time devoted to developing him into a good OLB went to waste over a bloated head. C'est la vie.

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  80. Tim The EnchanterMay 17, 2010 at 3:54 PM

    What's up with Roth? He's not helping his cause that's for sure. I don't see anyone signing him to the kind of money he's seeking. I just don't think his value is that high.

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  81. Patrick I agree with you on most things, but I'm not totally on board with you on this matter.  Roth is his own worst enemy that's for sure.  But the Dolphins have their share of fault in him leaving the team. 

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  82. Revis wants 20mill a year more he'll be getting paid more then Manning.GTFHO!The Jets are even bigger jokes then they are if they sign him to that when they have other players looking for big contracts.

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  83. Don't you just love Zach? (commenting on JT) ......... "The Jets wanted him, so he had to go," Thomas said. "I hope he has a great year for himself, and they go 0-16. I've told him that, too"

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  84. Fang, now I'm completely speculating here but let me put it this way, Roth looks unnaturally muscled... Roth has temper issues. Roth has soft tissue issues where his muscles pull away from the ligaments. As I said, I'm speculating but there are some clear signs that all is not right with Mr. Roth and though I didn't say why Mr. Roth would find himself on the outside looking in, I think it could have something to do with these issues.

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  85. And, could there have been another reason Roth chose to sit out the beginning of the off-season other than the lame excuses he gave? Could there have been a testing procedure he was trying to avoid. Again, just speculating but, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and shits like a duck, it's probably a duck.

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  86. Roids never entered my mind ??  I have no idea why, it sure makes sense.  I have a friend of mine that used to take steroids, and he sure had issues with anger, i can tell you that.  If he had a few drinks in him along with the steroids he most likely was going to jail that day.  He no longer uses the stuff, and that has kept him out of jail for the past 3 years or so.

    I get a kick how we have to speculate about nearly everthing we read, hear, and view in today's world.

    CMS&S ( Chaos, Mayhem, Sleeze, & Slime ) You will find this coming in every form of Media across this Country.

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