Wednesday, March 17, 2010

2010 Draft Prospect - TE, Dorin Dickerson

Before we get too far into this thing, I want to make one thing perfectly clear. I want the Dolphins to draft Dorin Dickerson as a wide receiver.

Dickerson is currently rated as a 3rd round pick, and if you were to find a receiver with his size (6'2", 226 lbs), his strength (
24 reps), his speed (4.40), his production (10 TDs in 2009), his route running, his leaping ability, his blocking ability, and his playing in a pro-style offense, and that WR would be a 1st round pick.

Instead, he's stuck in a Tight End box, and thus, you look at his size and think, well, he's not big enough to warrant a high pick. This is exactly why the Dolphins should draft him in the 2nd round (They can't wait until the 3rd - he may be gone by then) but he's a sure thing with their 2nd pick.

And what do the Dolphins need in a WR? Someone big, fast, good hands, red zone
threat, runs good routes, blocks well, and doesn't costs a 1st round pick. That is Dorin Dickerson.

The reason he's so good at running routes is because he used to be a wide receiver. The reason he's so strong and blocks people well is because he switched from WR to line-backer. The reason he's good in the red zone is because he played for Pittsburgh, a pro-style offense that featured some outstanding running backs and wide receivers, so he knew he'd have to stand-out in the red because the other guys would get most of the touches between the 20s.

David Martin was drafted as a WR and switched to TE, and the Dolphins tried the switch with Ernest Wilford as well. So why wouldn't they try a TE who can line up off the line, a la Dallas Clark, or even as a split end?

Check out this article on Dickerson's Pro Day - it talks about his 'position flexibility'. (Click on Quote)
According to one source, the Dolphins were not present at the Pitt pro-day. Based on experience, this generally means the Dolphins may be bringing in a Pitt player for a private workout - they generally don't attend the Pro Days of players they've already invited in (you may recall they waited to work-out receivers privately with Chad Henne last year, and will likely do the same this year).

59 comments:

  1. The Knight who says NiMarch 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM

    I like this kid. The combine site has him listed at 6-4 226. I saw him run his 40, very fast. He could be a TE/WR hybrid or become another Marques Colston. He's the kind of target Henne could really use.

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  2. IFFF we sign him as a WR,
    can he wear a WR number,
    and still line-up as a TE??? LOL ;) !!!

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  3. I'm with you on this guy Tin! Dickerson is sneaky fast and runs great patterns. My only knock on him is that Wannstedt likes him :)

    Rob, are you getting my emails?

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  4. Has any college TE ever been successfully moved to WR in the pros?

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  5. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 6:56 AM

    Sunworshipper,

    Yes.  Knight made mention of Marques Colsten who was a TE at Hofstra.  Oddly enough although Hofstra is like a Division IAA school, they produced three good pros (Wayne Chrebet, Willie Colon, & Closton) they have chosen to disband their football program due to poor attendance.  Go figure???

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  6. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM

    Patrick,

    Darrelle Revis & LeSean McCoy also played for Wannstadt.  I think he's a terrible head coach but Pitt has had some pretty good talent there over the last few years.  Remember Larry Fitzgerald???  He turned out to be pretty decent, right???  LOL!!!

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  7. Don't know, but let's keep in mind that Dickerson only played one season at
    h-back/TE, played two as a WR and one as a linebacker, so it's not a huge
    leap to believe he could play WR.

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  8. Yeah imagine if you're LeSean McCoy thinking you're the Pitt RB hero and the
    next year they replace you with a freshman and he's better than you...ouch.
    Pitt has/had fantastic skill players in 2009 - their WR, Baldwin, is going
    to be the next big WR prospect and Dion Lewis could be 1st rounder of the
    future too. I forget their other WR but he's pretty good too - it's amazing
    that dickerson ever got the ball with those three around him.

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  9. When I was in high school I got an offer from Hofstra but I couldn't figure
    out where it was so I didn't go...lol...it's in NY, right?

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  10. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 8:09 AM

    Tins,

    You're right.  They're stacked with talent.  Baldwin is on the verge of greatness. 

    BTW--Dion Lewis is sensational but I was impressed with when I saw McCoy play last year.  I know the Eagles like to throw the ball on almost every play but I was surprised that McCoy didn't get more handoffs.  With that said, between receiving & rushing yards he almost combined for 1000 yards which is pretty good for a rookie that only started 4 games.  I think that that McCoy will turn out to be a good 2nd round pick by the Eagles.

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  11. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 8:10 AM

    LOL

    Tin, it's in Loooong Island, NY. I believe in the city of Hempstead. When I used to work in LI from time to time, I would eat lunch and watch the Jets in training camp just to see what it was all about.

    FYI
    Josh Buchanan, of JBScouting.com, reports Indiana (Pa.) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (shoulder) underwent successful labrum surgery Wednesday, March 17, and is expected to be 100 percent by training camp. He is scheduled to visit with five teams.

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  12. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 8:11 AM

    Yes.  Hofstra is in NY.  It's actually pretty close to where I grew up in Long Island.

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  13. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 8:16 AM

    Knight,

    You watched the Jets in training camp???  OMG.......There's no way I would ever go to watch the Jets practice with all those yahoo Jet fans donning their Namath or Mo Williams jerseys.  Man I hate the Jets so much!!!

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  14. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 8:20 AM

    For some reason one of my posts is missing....Okay.

    Tins,

    With Dickerson's rare combination of speed, size, &strength, why isn't he rated as a low first rounder or early 2nd???

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  15. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 8:24 AM

    Knight,

    Do you realize how many times I've heard people say that who aren't from Long Island???  Let's just say A LOT!!!  LOL!!!

    Thank God or whatever there may or may not be that I don't have the LI accent.

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  16. He didn't go to see the Jets, he went to see the fans - he heard that 90% of
    the crowd met the body-type requirements of a nose tackle.

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  17. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 8:45 AM

    Actually I don't remember seeing too many Jet fans there. I was just checking it out because it was pro football practice. It didn't hurt that I would throw banana peels on the field. :-D

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  18. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM

    People from LI never leave LI. You have to visit them there, they will never leave to visit you. Maybe it has something to do with the 5 hour traffic to go 30 miles. >:o

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  19. Because as a TE, he's only 6'2", 225 lbs or so. That is tiny for a TE.

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  20. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 9:01 AM

    Tin, I could swear when I was watching the combine they listed Dickerson at 6-1 224 but on the official NFL Combine site they have him listed at 6-4 226. I thought those measurements were based on what they measured in at in Indy.

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  21. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM

    Tin probably dropped his magic wand and zapped it off.

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  22. Patrick,

    Yes I am, I have responded to them, are you not getting my responses

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  23. Knight, his official measurements are 6'1" and 7/8ths or something like
    that. he's definitely not 6'4". Just look at him standing next to
    o-linemen and the other TEs and you'll see he's not as tall as them and
    they're generally about 6'4"

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  24. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 9:40 AM

    Tins,

    You aint kidding about the Jet fan's body type.  Rex Ryan fits right in with those idiotic slobs.

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  25. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 9:43 AM

    Damn, now I can't trust the measurements and weights on the combine site. Is there any truth in the world? LOL

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  26. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 9:43 AM

    Knight,

    I left LI.  Now I live in Manhattan.

    I think you were just dated some spoiled, jappy girl that didn't want to get lost.  LMAO!!!  Am I right????  Ha!!!

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  27. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 9:53 AM

    Knight,

    Oh that's right.  I forgot that Tin has the Presidential "veto power" on this site.  If he doesn't like someone's opinion or doesn't like the question then POOF!!!  And it's gone.  The site is his world & we're just living in it.  LOL!!!  Then again, I've read some pretty dumb questions on here....

    And BTW, listing someone at 6'1" & 7/8ths is just retarded.  It should just be 6'2."  If an 1/8th an inch in height is really going to matter to anyone in personnel then they probably shouldn't be evaluating or drafting players.

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  28. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 10:04 AM

    Tins,

    Sounds like a good sized NFL WR to me that was playing TE.  Have you ever heard of a TE with 4.4 speed???

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  29. "Have you ever heard of a TE with 4.4 speed???"
    Um, yes, his name is Dorin Dickerson...(rolling eyes)

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  30. well it might be 3/8ths, i can't remember, I just know it was between 6'1"
    and 6'2". ;)
    And remember, there are no stupid questions....lol.

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  31. Hi Everyone! Been on the road for the last week and a half visiting my brother in Orlando and staying and playing golf in the Kissimmee area. No internet access on this trip, though, so I'm catching up today!

    Incognito... he might challenge for a starting assignment, but not until Parcells' D dogs beat him up in practice again and again to see if his fuse lights in the Fla. heat and humidity!

    After the Ginn Experience, I don't believe the Dolphins will use their first three/four picks on a WR, nor on Offense, for that matter. With the prospect of Ronnie returning healthy (and Ricky), we'll see that Offense chew up yards and eat up time with the Wildcat again. I'll admit that the development of Henne puts a big question mark on my theory, but judging by last year, and a healthy team, BP will opt for the ground and pound every time. NT(s) and LBs, maybe a safety, to stud up that Defense and get opposing offenses off the field is the direction that I think that they will go in! Just a fan and just sayin'...

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  32. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 11:47 AM

    No I mean people who live on the Island never leave. You have to go to them. Friends and family. LOL

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  33. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 11:48 AM

    LOL

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  34. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 11:49 AM

    Didn't Vernon Davis run a sick 40 for a TE?

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  35. The Knight who says Ni!March 18, 2010 at 11:50 AM

    Well I feel the same away about the whole LB discussion and acting like we can't draft an OLB at 6-2 but 6-3 makes a world of difference.

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  36. Why would you want to leave? It's an island and it's long....right?

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  37. I think he ran a 4.38

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  38. Hey Tin, question for 'ya....Was reading some other blogs (my eyes feel dirty) and on the subject of Henne's interview where he stated Tebow was not an NFL QB.....I guess there were some things he said about P.Turner, although I have no idea.  Would love to get some idea of how he fits and if he will contribute.  Did you hear the interview?  I think it was WQAM 560 or something....

    As far as Dickerson, you sold me on him when you posted your position breakdowns earlier.  I really hope we snag him.  I think he's Anquan 2.0.

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  39. Does anyone recall if any of Draft Picks from the last 2 years had Private Workouts for the Dolphins?
    Suppose its a crapshoot if a guy they like is available when they pick, just wonder how big of a "tell" it might be?

    Re: watching Jets training camp
    I work right next to the 49ers training camp.  First year, was going to go over just to see some football ... turns out they ONLY allow the public in one time, thus its a rumble & tickets "sell out" for it in the first hour.  Is that goofy/crazy or what??  They've got a yuppie fan base though.  We soon vote for a new stadium that will be across my parking lot fence ... my vote is NYET!! ... for the reasons below ... rich guys don't need our money to use to raise prices afterwards.

    I think the NFL has long ago abandoned the true fans.  I chuckle how everyone worries about Incognito's & other's character ... that's Kool Aide the NFL has spun up to market to families & yuppies & continuously raise prices.  The good ole days, players were mean & dirty & proud of it.  As long as you didn't get too many penalties & back-talk the coaches too bad you were an A-OK hero.  I hate all this character stuff, as its mostly about raising prices ... at the cost of true football fans.

    Cheers, JerryD

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  40. son of a son of a shulaMarch 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM

    Dickerson is quite interesting, there's a lot you could do with a guy like that. He's actually smaller than Turner. Didn't they have a package of plays with Wilford they liked but his lack of speed had them shelve it?

    AHH, blogging in a "Williams at NT" free blog. It's making me insane.

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  41. son of a son of a shulaMarch 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM

    So who do we like better, let's just say we can't have both, Dickerson or Decker. I think either is a good fit for Miami Dickerson offers versatility and speed, where Decker is very smart and you know would be viable and reliable. We have to call him "very smart" now after that wonderlic score before he was just smart.

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  42. Alright, listened to the interview finally....They were pressing him pretty hard on his feelings of our WRs and the prospect of getting B.Marshall.  He simply stated that if we got anybody, he'd welcome them, "the more the merrier".  But he spoke up for our guys in house saying they had improved a lot by year's end, and not to forget about P.Turner, he's "on the back burner". 

    So, everything you're supposed to say.  I have no clue if they expect P.T. to be our guy this year, or if we're actively looking for a WR.

    All in all, Dorin Dickerson would be a great addition.

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  43. I'll go with Dickerson.  Decker would be great, but we have a lot of 'smart' guys, (with the exception of Ginn).  I love Decker but he does come in a little more banged up. 

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  44. Dickerson is pretty smart too. He's very articulate - I like having guys
    like that around during camp when they have all those interviews on md.com -
    I can only listen to Crowder for so long before my brain does a backflip.

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  45. Are you talking about the J.I. interview from the combine? or something new?

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  46. son of a son of a shulaMarch 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM

    I think I like Dickerson better too however Decker is liable to be available later meaning we could concentrate our earlier picks on D.

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  47. Oh don't get into that argument, I still have more receivers I'm going to
    blog about...lol

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  48. son of a son of a shulaMarch 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM

    I suppose you're right and without being shortsighted, those two are my guys. I've liked Decker for a while and since the combine have become "anamoured" with Dickerson. I'll try to remain optimistic.

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  49. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 2:15 PM

    Tinshaker,

    Bring it on.  The more WR's the better.

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  50. We Have PlaymakersMarch 18, 2010 at 2:18 PM

    Son,

    You mean enamored right???   Sorry I was an English major & I read a lot....Not to say that you don't.

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  51. son of a son of a shulaMarch 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM

    Thanks english major, I knew I had that all phucked up anyway what you said, I am.  But only in the way one guy likes another guy as a football player that's it.

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  52. New, from the 17th.  Henne had a comment about Tebow that made it onto Florio's rumor mill

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  53. We Have PlaymakersMarch 19, 2010 at 7:46 AM

    Okay now there's Darren Howard to add to the list of possible veterans that could play weak-side LB.  I think Ellis (DE), Taylor (Strong-side LB), & Howard (DE) all had 6 sacks each last year so they're all still able to get some pressure on the QB.  Since he's building a team from his drafts, I'm not sure if Parcells wants to take the older veteran route.  When you look at the various ages of the players on our roster,  I think it's very impressive how young our team is. 

    According to my count we have only have 6 players who are 30 or older--Ricky, Will Allen, Y. Bell, Pennington, Ferguson, & Grove just turned 30.

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  54. We Have PlaymakersMarch 19, 2010 at 8:04 AM

    Now this is potentially good news!!!

    "Ricky Williams recently retained agent Drew Rosenhaus as his representative.
    Williams had been representing himself over the past couple of seasons, most notably with a $4.35M extension worked out on a post-it note. Though Ricky has stated that he will retire after the 2010 season, the Rosenhaus hire suggests he may be having second thoughts."

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  55. Could also be potentially bad news. Rosenhaus is a pain in the ass and he'll either choke as much money away from the Dolphins or try to move his client elsewhere...

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  56. We Have PlaymakersMarch 19, 2010 at 8:49 AM

    Burnum,

    As much as I detest Rosenhaus as a human being, if I were an NFL player I'm signing with him & if I were a baseball player than I'd sign with Scott Boras. 

    At 33 years old where is he going???  He's signed through this season & he has a very good realtionship with Parcells who many people speculated wouldn't remain with the Dolphins as long as he has.

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  57. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Parcells has only been here for two
    years. Signing with Rosenhaus could indicate that Ricky can't handle the
    day to day business stuff and wants someone to help him out. Rosenhaus and
    the Dolphins traditionally have not gotten along, so it doesn't necessarily
    help him as a Dolphin, and why do you we want to resign a 35 year old
    running back anyway? What are we going to sign him to after this contract
    ends? a 6 month contract? Ricky should play one more season then retire
    and not go the sad pathetic route of the other 35 yr old RBs out there still
    trying to hold on to the NFL dream. He has been doing his homeopathic
    healing stuff anyway so I don't really see him wanting to play much longer -
    he seems to not care most of the time or if he's not getting 30 carries -
    and those are only going to go down over time.

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  58. We Have PlaymakersMarch 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM

    Tins,

    What do you mean that Ricky "seems to not care most of the time???"  You mean off the field right ???  B/c on the field he had a phenomenal season.  Ricky was 32 years old last season & had a better year than Ronnie has had in his life.  Granted he'll turn 33 in May but he was BY FAR our best offensive player last year & I can't even fathom what our record would have been without him.  If he defied the odds at 32 then why not 33 or 34???  He's in unbelievable shape & it's just a fact that he hasn't sustained the hits that players like L.T. or Edgerin James had before they turned 30.  I also think Thomas Jones will defy the odds this season & that was a terrible decision by the Jets not to make sure he came back.

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  59. Thomas Jones was going to cost the Jets a fortune, thats why they released
    him.
    You don't actually think Ricky is going to get better with age do you?
    There have been times where he looks completely disinterested in the game
    when he's on the sidelines - I think he gets more motivated once the
    adrenalin kicks in from getting lots of carries - but he has said several
    times he's more in it for the money than anything and since he's in such
    debt he has no choice but to keep playing and you can see that in his eyes
    and hear it in his voice during interviews. He is a great running back and
    all, but do you think he cares one way or another if he wins a Super Bowl
    ring? Because I don't.
    And he was not 'by far' our best offensive player last year. He just edged
    out Ronnie in terms of YPC, but if you keep in mind what I said above, he
    didn't really start putting up good numbers until after Ronnie went down and
    he got twice as many carries. You can see the difference between him being
    a role player and sort of casually running out of bounds at the end of a
    run, and being the feature back and plowing his way or hurdling into the end
    zone.
    I can't be the only one who's noticed this stuff.

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