Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Tin Bits - Tuesday, March 16th, 2010

  • I got a good laugh out of this ProFootballFocus.com article, a 2009 All AFC-East Team.  Forget the fact that it's the middle of March, 2010, which implies they've lost 'focus' a little bit, but they chose Anthony Fasano as the best tight-end in the division last season (Dustin Keller must be turning green...).  But at least they recognized Randy Starks, Jake Long, Lousaka Polite and Ted Ginn (kick returner). 
  • I've been struggling for about a week to finish my Mock Draft for two reasons.  First - I can't seem to fit all the talent onto the board.  There are going to be some high quality 3rd and 4th rounders this year.  Second, anytime I do manage to squeeze as many in as I can, an NFL team makes a big Free Agent signing and ruins it for me - for example, I had the Bengals taking a WR in the 1st round but then they signed Antonio Bryant.  Then I have to figure out if that rookie receiver falls to where the next WR on my mock was or if another team takes him as BPA somewhere else.  I swear this was much easier last year.  Anyway, I'm warning you all now that my end result might be missing a top quality player somewhere because it's hard to keep track of them all - it took me 3 weeks to realize I didn't have Brandon Spikes on there at all.
  • I watched a replay of the first Bills vs Dolphins game last year - you know, the one where Joey Porter was out and Cameron Wake lit up the place.  And I have to say, Channing Crowder was excellent in that game.  Sure he's not flashy and he doesn't get turnovers, but he does show consistency versus the run and often runs down missed tackles by the secondary.  Akin Ayodele had a big bone-crushing hit in the game on a screen pass and got all the 'oohs' from the crowd, but other than thumping people hard, he really didn't have any consistent skill-set. and couldn't outrun anybody.  I think the Dansby-Crowder project could be a huge change in the box for the Dolphins, but ultimately they need someone anchoring the middle in order for them to do their job.  I have the Dolphins taking Dan Williams in the draft (a little preview for you there), but lately I'm wondering about Mount Cody.  We all wrote him off after the Senior Bowl weigh-in, but he claims there was a clerical error there (you'd think the 100 or so journalists there would have gotten it right between them), and at his pro-day he weighed in at 349, twenty-one pounds lighter.  Ultimately I think it's a smoke-screen and he's on some kind of all-fiber diet, but it may work and he may be back to a 1st round choice.
  • Speaking of smoke-screens, I love how the media claimed that the Dolphins are ga-ga over Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan.  Oh, please!  I'm ga-ga over vintage Gibson SG guitars, it doesn't mean I'm going to buy one next month, especially since I would then have to buy a custom case for it to fit into (like the Dolphins would have to switch to a 4-3 to utilize Morgan).
  • My Small-School Sleeper defensive back, Akwasa Owusu-Ansah, has been projected as both a cornerback and a free safety, and is a real threat in the return game. Well, wasting no chances, he skipped his IUP pro-day and worked out instead at the Ohio State open house, running a 4.31 in the 40 yard dash.  A super fast ball-hawking guy with cover skills and just so happens to be the Trifecta's preferred Free Safety size...


  1. tin,

    what do you hear about selvie,  all i read and see is talk about jpp and little about murphy?

  2. yeah, I know what you mean about the mock draft...just really driving me crazy.....ROFLMAO!!! as if!!

    Seriously, I am working on my March Madness pool right now....any help would be appreciated... :-D

  3. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 9:35 AM


    Go with 3 out of the 4 top seeds--Kansas, Kentucky, & Syracuse.

  4. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 9:37 AM


    I had to do a double-take when I saw Fasano on that list this morning.

  5. FFR, there doesn't seem to be any talk about him this year at all. Other
    than his 40 I thought he was one of the best performers at the combine, at
    least in drills anyway. USF's pro day is on the 30th. Since spring ball
    just started, the USF media is focused on that right now so we'll probably
    have to wait till pro-day for another mention. I think Selvie's biggest
    issue right now is that I don't see him playing special teams, do you?
    One thing in his favor is that he wants to play 3-4 OLB and has looked
    better than some of the other conversion guys. He'll probably be drafted
    about 6th or 7th out of those conversion guys, ie Kindle, Graham, Sapp, etc.

  6. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 9:44 AM

    A 4.31 in the 40....OMG!  This kid has to be the fastest safety on the planet! 

    BTW--What did Ginn & Chris Johnson run before they were drafted?  Somwhere in the 4.2's right?

  7. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 9:45 AM

    <span> "Since spring ball just started, the USF media is focused on that right now so we'll probably 
    have to wait till pro-day for another mention."</span>

    Yes.  Focused on that & Leavit's monster law suit.

  8. Chris Johnson was a 4.24 and Ginn was a 4.38 but to be fair to Ginn, he was
    running to the sideline at the time...
    Ginn was recovering from an injury when he ran at his pro-day and has
    reportedly been timed as fast a 4.16, but then again, so have I.

  9. well, that is cool there isnt much talk about him, would love to see him slip to the 4th round and the fins grab him

  10. yeah,  go with the gators.  billy donovan has been secretly working with tebow  release and will be inserting him as his starting forward.  and we all know, baby jesus doesnt lose  :-D

  11. yeah, but ginn was timed at 4.16 in the 40, yours 4.16 was in the 20

  12. yeah, but ginns time was in the 40, yours was in the 20 LOL

  13. Tin, why do you think Incognito would be such a bad move for the dolphins. To be honest I know next to nothing about the guy but I'm okay with tough guys on the team (granted we don't need stupid penalties) & according to reports he's "holding himself accountable".

  14. yeah, funny how the player that was 'slapped'  has since dropped any talk of a lawsuit or asking for an apology.  it is looking more and more like USF used this as just a reason to release him

  15. PHINS FAN, is this a serious question?
    Was he holding himself accountable when he headbutted not one, but two
    Tennessee players during a game last year? Was he holding himself
    accountable when he got suspended several times from the team? He had to
    hold himself accountable for all the penalties, because the refs get on a
    microphone and call his number out loud for everyone to hear.
    Last time I checked, Sparano hates penalties more than anything, so why
    bring in someone who has proven time and time again to be a penalty
    machine? Oh, and on top of a penalty machine, he's a ticking time bomb.
    Holding oneself accountable just means that he'll accept the fines -
    accountability means accepting responsibility for your actions after the
    fact, it doesn't mean you're not going to do it again.

  16. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 11:29 AM

    I'm surprised Selvie has dropped so much out of the conversation and possibly into the 4th round. Did his 40 hurt him that bad?

  17. Since there was no official there to confirm that, I'm sticking to my
    original story....

  18. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM

    Don't be surprised if we sign Incognito today. I doubt he gets very much guaranteed money and I'm sure his contract will be incentive laden.

  19. the player dropped it but isn't his lawyer still playing it for all its

  20. OK, now give me a good Cinderella team.  Please!

  21. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM


  22. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 11:51 AM

    Okay then.  Tell us what you really think of Incognito Tins???  LOL!

  23. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 11:58 AM


    Just so I'm getting it straight....Assuming the stars were perfectly aligned (except Suh is off the board)--you have us taking Graham in the first, Cody in the 2nd, Decker in the third, & AOA in the 4th?  I have not seen three out the four play this season but at least we'd be addressing our needs.  I still think Cody is too fat & too slow to play in the NFL BUT I believe there is a very good chance that he'll be available @ 43.

  24. Well the thing is his 40 was misreported when it first happened as a 4.91 or
    something like that. That news was all over the web even though he actually
    ran a 4.7 something. I thought he looked really good in the on the field
    drills though.

  25. If it hasn't happened by now, I doubt it will. He has an interview with the
    Colts lined up for this afternoon.

  26. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 12:04 PM

    Do you think he lasts until the 4th round?

  27. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 12:09 PM

    Just say no to Williams at #12. Take a LB or a DB and get a NT later.

  28. What? I never said any of that, lol.
    Maybe I said Decker in the 3rd, but I have not decided on any personal
    shopping list as of yet.

  29. LOL WHP. I guess it's a sore subject.  "<span>This would be a very bad move for the Dolphins.<span>" I just wanted a little more in depth reasoning. I don't think Soprano would bring him in for a visit if they weren't @ least thinking about taking the risk... Besides I think he would get benched/released immediatly if he started head butting people. I'll be more careful on what I ask ;) </span></span>

  30. sparano is what i meant

  31. Herd, New Mexico State is your Cinderella...

  32. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 12:57 PM


  33. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 1:08 PM

    I just want to see us do something, anything.  I have no idea if Holmgen has any clue what he's doing but AT LEAST it's exciting....

    Now that I think about it he probably doesn't know what he's doing if he's going to pay Jake Delhomme $7 Million to be his starter.  That's pretty insane.

  34. Thank you Patrick.

  35. 3rd or 4th. Like I said earlier, the amount of talent is so huge that guys
    who would normally be 2nd round picks are going to go in the late 3rd to mid
    4th this year.

  36. Sparano doesn't decide who they bring in, that's Jeff Ireland's call.
    Sparano probably doesn't get involved until the actual interview process.

  37. We Have PlaymakersMarch 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM


    BYU is a pretty good Cinderella team

  38. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 2:07 PM

    That's awesome that this draft is so deep and we have a good slot and a decent amount of picks. I wouldn't be surprised if we traded a player for another pick and traded a pick for another player.  :-E

  39. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 2:08 PM

    Those are going to be expensive interceptions.

  40. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM

    I would think Sparano makes some suggestions like "remember that LB who gave us problems last year, what about taking a look at him?" or something like that.

  41. The Knight who says Ni!March 16, 2010 at 2:50 PM

    Do you think we may have signed Ritchie Incognito but he's currently incognito? Bada Bam!!!!!  8-)

  42. Yeah I'm sure they have weekly meetings and discuss all kinds of things, but
    ultimately it's not Sparano's job to scout and find talent. He has enough
    on his plate trying to do a Quality Control Analysis on Dan Henning's

  43. Wow...that was just about the worst thing I've heard all day, and I've heard
    some stinkers today!

  44. I just saw the Eric Decker wonderlic score...impressive!  I feel so inadequate now... *DONT_KNOW*

  45. The Knight who says NiMarch 16, 2010 at 4:18 PM

    Sometimes a bad joke makes you laugh anyway or puts a smile on your face.  :)

  46. Try the ferry Godmothers from UGAY....

  47. <p><span>Richie Incognito is quite an enigma… The only one reason Richie is in Miami is because he is a really good offensive lineman. There are guys who come to mind when considering Incognito, like Conrad Dobler and Kevin </span><span>Mawae who were considered among the nastiest players in the league and yet have had long careers. The biggest difference between these guys and our boy Richie is penalties, untimely penalties that have cost his team victories.</span>
    </p><p><span> </span>
    </p><p><span>The upside is the same as the downside, every team wants mean, nasty offensive linemen, but mean and nasty is rarely a button that can be turned off and on. There is also the character message the Dolphins have professed to be so important. As we’ve seen here with folks like Tin and Herd, fans care about that message but one has to wonder whether the message outweighs the final goal, winning football games…</span>
    </p><p><span> </span>
    <span>There is not a lot of monetary risk associated with this guy. If he is signed there will be all kinds of character incentives and let’s face it, the guy is one head butt away from being banned from the league. I would sign him for a couple reasons; one being that he will bring an intensity to practice that will help other players elevate their games and two, they can cut his ass the moment he steps over the line. A few fans feelings will get hurt and a message gets clouded but in the end we all want to beat the stinking Jets and the Patriots and the Bills and getting there sometimes means doing a few things that might hurt a few feelings along the way.</span></p>

  48. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 6:33 AM

    We offered Incognito a contract.

  49. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 6:47 AM

    Clemons ran a 4.33

  50. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 6:47 AM


  51. Not that my opinion makes a difference, but I don't mind if they take on a bad boy.  Frankly, I kind of like bad boys, but that's another topic entirely!!  lol  The thing is, I read all this draft and free agent stuff and everyone has what they think is a bead on what the trifecta is going to do and from my vantage point of following for a little under two years, I don't see it.  They drafted Pat White last year who everyone said they wouldn't do and they are obviously showing interest in players that for one reason or another don't fit their prototype.

    I happen to think that a player's actions on one team may not be indicative of what he's going to do on another.  In the right system, with different players and coaches around them, I think they can be completely different.   Incognito has been with the Bills who have been in a state of disarray for a long time.  Could be the behavior is frustration with the situation he's in.

    Or maybe not!  LOL  I'm so confused! ;)  

  52. Herd, he was with the Rams before the Bills and if you want to talk about frustration that is the place... If he were to accept an inceptive laden contract based on his conduct there is still a risk. The negative being, if the guy does great in training camp and earns a starting job leading us to cut another promising player only to have him blow up in mid season. Then we lose him and the other player, to me that is the risk.

    I can be bad! Unfortunately I'm good at bad...

  53. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 8:23 AM

    He has signed a one year deal.

  54. We Have PlaymakersMarch 17, 2010 at 8:33 AM


    You are correct.

    "Dolphins have reached an agreement with G Richie Incognito, formerly of the Bills, on a one-year contract.
    The Bengals and Colts were also linked to Incognito, an unrestricted free agent. If he can keep his temper under control, Incognito will likely push Donald Thomas and Nate Garner for the right guard job while upgrading Miami's already strong run blocking. Look for the deal to be incentive laden." Mar. 17 - 10:13 am et

    Source: Edgar Thompson on Twitter

  55. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 8:50 AM

    They're going to look at Incognito at both guard spots. Smiley, Thomas, Garner, Incognito and Tsoumpas will all compete for the two starting spots. Dimitri Tsoumpas was the 2nd player drafted overall in the 2008 CFL draft. We signed him in January of this year. He's a big boy at 6-4 315 and run blocking is his forte. Let the competition begin.

  56. Incognito was only with the Bills for about a month.

  57. We Have PlaymakersMarch 17, 2010 at 8:52 AM


    His behavior issues were actually when he was with the Rams & that eventually led to him being cut by them & subsequently picked up on waivers by the Bills.   Clearly the Rams have been an awful team for the last few years as well HOWEVER I don't view that as a viable excuse.  I believe the term "professional athlete" means that you conduct yourself as a professional whether you win or lose.  For example I don't recall Vernon Carey incurring personal foul after personal foul & he played for two of the worst Dolphin teams I have ever seen (the last Wannstadt season & the Cam Cameron experience).

    What is strange about this signing is that it is completely counter to what Parcells preaches about wanting high character guys.   I trust that Sparano (being a former O-line coach) is a pretty good judge of what it takes to be a quality G but this guy Incognito has to get a grip if he's going to push to be a starter.

  58. We Have PlaymakersMarch 17, 2010 at 9:05 AM


    With that signing I think it's fair to say that our O-line is one of strongest & deepest units.  After that, assuming Ronnie is healthy, so are our RB's.  If we keep Thigpen as our 2nd then I really like our depth at QB as well.  And the last area of strength is our D-line. I believe that Parcells will find an NT by using two of our draft picks & although that player might not be ready to start the season, I also believe that player will contribute this season.

  59. I think we need to drop the facade of high character being a pre-cursor to a
    contract. First they signed McDaniel, now Incognito - two guys with
    multiple previous issues.

  60. We Have PlaymakersMarch 17, 2010 at 9:07 AM


    I'm not sure how many Dolphin fans know how good of a player Nate Garner is.  Considering his size & versatility we're lucky to have him.

  61. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 9:16 AM


  62. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 9:17 AM

    Agreed, and the Jets drafted him. Ha!

  63. The Knight who says Ni!March 17, 2010 at 9:38 AM

    I think the high character thing is with draft picks, mainly high picks because they're so valuable. Parcells looks for football players even if they have some issues. What he doesn't like are guys into the club scene and that seek celebrity status.

  64. Especially since he cost us nothing.

  65. So it's a race thing? Because the bad white men just want the big money so
    they can buy a Hummer and go off-roading and blow up squirrels and
    occasionally head-butt people, whereas the black guys want the fast cars and
    the VIP club treatment and all the ladies.
    So the key is to find high character black guys but we have lower standards
    for white players because the worst they can do is chop off their finger
    with an axe...

  66. Tin,
    Any thoughts on Deon Grant being a fit for the Fins?

  67. Diggs, we have Yeremiah Bell and Tyrone Culver, why do we need Deon Grant?

  68. Me TOOO,and that'd leave only WR & TE as O weaknesses!!

    Hopefully we'll get a #1 WR & TE somewhere in-between those NT's...
    Other than Suh/McCoy,I don't want a NT @12,but I droll over DWilliams in the mid-late teens,
    been crazy about CODY for yrs until I saw his physique,but I'd STILL LUVV to land him @43!!

    IFFF we don't take an NT in the 1st,(though I KNOW it's NOT BP's style),
    I've been crazy-bout Dez Bryant for yrs,and would STILL LUVV to land him in the mid-late teens!!

    There are PLENTY of OLB's/Hybrid types to be had ANYWHERE in the draft
    (though I like JHughes in the 2nd,amongst the obvious 1st rndrs)!!
    Same @ FS,and suddenly the task is much closer to completion!! 

    MY PRESENT ULTIMATE(of those POSSIBLY/LIKELY to be there @ OUR pks),
    depending on the positional order ""OUR" FINS decide upon...

    @17 or so  NT DWilliams

    @43  OLB JHughes

    @73  WR (BPA)

    @107 TE  (BPA)      


    @17 or so WR DBryant (BP say's NOT LIKELY)

    @43  NT TCody

    @73  OLB/Hybrid (BPA)

    @107  TE (BPA)

    73 & 107 are innerchangeable in BOTH of MY SCENARIOS,
    and I'd usually have the names by now,
    but I haven't YET been able to get that deep
    due to PC issues/Personnal Lack of mock draft's and who's likely to STILL be around @ 73/107..
    I'll get there,PC's going in the shop next week,and I should be rollin by 4-1...

    I think we'll continue doubleing-up on positions of most need as in the past two yrs!!

    Sid Rosenberg asked CC on the radio today,
    has he ever had sex with an IRISH girl,
    CC replied,he never bothered to ask!!

    SR,CC,the ENTIRE studio,MYSELF and probably every MALE listener out there were ROTFLAO!!! :-P

  69. @ 17 or so ???
    (I'm thinking Seat & SF are going to be jockeying for position to get ahead of each-other and up to #12)..

    BOTH have multiple 1st rndrs,
    PRESENTLY Seattle has TWO b/4 SF's first !!!

    Historically SF has alway's thrown a wrench into MIAMI drafts,
    in this case,it'd be a GOOD THING,IMHO!!!   GOFINS!!!

  70. ""PRESENTLY Seattle has TWO b/4 SF's first !""  CORRECTION!!!!

    SF has 13 & 17, Seat has 6 & 14  !!!

    I think SEAT WILL TRY to jump from 14 to 12 ( in order to have "" 2 pks b/4 SFs first pk""),


    SF WILL TRY to jump from 17 to 12 ( in order to get "" 2 pks b/4 Seat's second pk""),
    while also securing back-to-backs @ 12 & 13...  

    INNER-DIVISION strategy stuff/MY imaginativeHO!!!
    Just hope they don't use those multiple 1st rnd pks to move into the top 5,(THEM WE'RE IN)!!!

  71. YB's almost 100 !!

    I believe/HOPE we'll draft a triple-layered cake
    consisting of
    2 DTs
    2 LBs
    2 Safties

    with sprinkles of 1 WR, 1 TE,1 CB, 1 scatback type RB, and 1 PSQB(UDFA if necessary)....