Monday, March 29, 2010

2010 Draft Prospect - Kam Chancellor, FS

Some of you may recall I liked Kam Chancellor last year - I had him as a possible Miami target at FS behind Missouri's William Moore.

Chancellor is Taylor Mays size - and if Miami were to draft him he'd be a real wrecking ball in the backfield - he's known for hitting hard - but he's also known for his coverage skills.  For a 6'3", 228 lb fella, he can run well and doesn't get beat in man-to-man situations very often.  In fact, I'd go as far to say that he could cover any TE one-on-one and it would take an above-average WR to shake him.
Perhaps the best thing I could say about Chancellor is that he won several awards in his college career - but not the kind you get for on-field play - the kind you get for showing hard work, determination and leadership off-the-field and in the off-season program.

He started out as a cornerback, grew into a hard-hitting strong safety, then matured into a patient and intelligent free safety.  As a likely 4th or even 5th round pick, it would be hard to say no if he's on the board.

62 comments:

  1. The Knight who says Ni!March 29, 2010 at 1:00 PM

    Tin, why is he only a 4th or 5th round pick in your opinion?

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  2. Tin - I don't think he'll last to the 4th.  I think we'd have to pick him in the 3rd.  One thing's for such , though - Kam sure loves him some Kam.

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  3. 1. Because he doesn't play for USC or Texas.
    2. Because at 6'3", 230lbs, he doesn't fit the safety protoype - despite the fact that Omar said he does in his latest blog.  The Dolphins safeties have all been under 6'1", 205lbs since the Trifecta took over - and now they are looking at conversion CBs - they have a thing against bigger safeties, and they're not the only ones.  Just like Moore last year, some scouts may try to put him in a LB box, but then he's def off the 3-4 radar.
    3.  There's nothing wrong with being a 4th or 5th rounder in this deep of a draft.  He may go higher but I don't see there being a huge demand for safeties, and I think Eric Berry, Taylor Mays, Earl Thomas, Nate Allen, Reshad Jones, Morgan Burnett should all go before Kam, and then you have Darrel Stuckey, and TJ Ward, and Myron Rolle and Major Wright, etc - the safety pool is so crowded that someone like Robert Johnson, Terrell Skinenr or Robert Vaughn could go undrafted - There could be a lot of fairly famous undrafted free agents by the end of this thing.

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  4. Tin,

    I'm a Hokie fan and I think Kam is a very good player at the college level, but his coverage skills aren't that great.  As a 4th round prospect he may be decent, but I'm worried that he'd get worked in the passing game.  Something we've seen quite a bit from our beloved Fins already.

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  5. Worlids is in my opinion, a better pro prospect from Virginia Tech.  His stats don't do his ability justice...he consistently brought pressure each and every game, and I don't remember there being one Tackle that just outright contained him. 

    He is a bit inconsistent within the game, but he always has his moments where he appears a dominant force.

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  6. So you don't think he's gotten better in that regard?  I watched some tape on him and he honestly looked better in coverage than most of the VT corners.  And he was pretty damn good at the East-West Shrine game.  Ultimately it does depend on what you want out of your last line of defense and i want someone who's going to bring down the receiver, not bounce off of him.

    I am very biased in this regard because I was an over-sized safety - so I always stick up for them lol

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  7. I agree that not everybody loves his size for being a FS.  And someone like Robert Johnson might be a more likely pick in round 6.  Tin, people are normally in love with VT defenders and tons of Fins fans loved Macho Harris last year... I guess he had an okay year - about 6 or 8 starts and 41 tackles.  I'm not sure if Macho's body of work will influence Kam's draft status or not...

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  8. I think for a 4th round prospect, he's decent.  You're right, he's a physical force and fun to watch.  But he can get worked on the deeper routes with better receivers...his speed is average, but his quickness is even a little more disappointing when it comes to the pro level.  I'll give you his instincts and toughness though...really good at coming up and playing the run.  And you can recognize by the video...he hits like a truck.  Probably the hardest hitting FS in the draft.

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  9. The Knight who says Ni!March 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM

    Tin, the problem with most big safeties is they can't match up athletically most of the time. They're playing a reactionary position and it naturally takes bigger safeties a little more time to get going, and they tend to be a little stiff.

    Big safeties were good to have when running the ball was primary. Not now in a passing era. I remember in the late 80s when teams started going away from the bigger DBs to 5-10 185 corners and 6-0 200 safeties to match up better against the smaller explosive WRs that were prominent in the league.

    Even in today's game, a big safety is unlikely to be able to stay with say a Reggie Wayne at 6-0 200.

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  10. Hey Knight, see you have your own personal troll, how did you do that? Looks like he cut and paste Tin's stuff and posted on his site. Good luck with that.

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  11. The only match-up problems I had was with the turf itself, oh and the fact I was being pounded on ST.  Between my knees and the fact I didn't like getting hit, my football future was doomed.

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  12. Knight
    First U Try Stealing my Miami Dolphin Thoughts and Comparisons on Pat Turner /Colston and then
    Dolphins should sign 6.5 TE Greg Olsen and band wagon jump my new FA LB Miami Dolphin  Karlos Dansby thing

    Now
    U R StealingTins Blog Format and background of Dolphins Practice Facility which U have never seen from
    The  New World Order weather modified flooded area of Northern NJ

    Please control yourself, man

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  13. Knight, never mind think I see the answer.

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  14. This guy definitely has to much time on his hands.  I've never seen anyone like him before and being an old fart as I am, I've seen many yo yo's in my life time. 

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  15. Nice write up Tin, just goes to show that this will be a very deep draft.  I don't put as much energy into researching these guys as others do, but really looking forward to seeing who we pick.  With this kind of depth, could this possibly be a "no miss" draft for us?  It seems like every day I'm learning of a new prospect I had never heard of before but has an impressive resume.

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  16. Tin, I wonder if Nate Allen will turn some heads at his pro-day today? He couldn't run at the combine because of a pulled muscle or something... He has the prototypical size Parcells seems to favor in safeties. The knock is he does not have elite speed, but from what I saw watching him play he has pretty good game speed. He's a 3 year starter from a fairly large school and was the defensive signal caller. He has all those things Parcells likes in his draft picks.

    As Red Dog was saying, there are so many prospects in this draft it's amazing... I still can't make up my mind who we should draft should we keep the 12th pick.

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  17. Kam seems like a good prospect based on the Tinshakers knowledge of this player
    Sounds to me to be an excellent mid round choice in a draft filled with prospective NFL talent
    Certainly an area of concern for the Miami Dolphins

    U never see this type of insight on Knights blog ;) LOL

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  18. it would be hard to miss, but we did draft PW last year so...

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  19. I think Nate Allen will ended up going a lot higher than projected because
    he is more like what teams like the Dolphins want in a Safety - 6'1", 207
    lbs, runs a 4.48 to 4.58 range and has excellent leadership/communication
    and great instincts - he also is a good tackler and has played both strong
    and free at USF - and he is a converted quarterback.

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  20. We Have PlaymakersMarch 30, 2010 at 7:20 AM

    If we pick @ #12 then I'm sticking with Kindle but if KC passes on Berry then I'm all for trading up.  After Suh, Berry is my 2nd favorite player in this draft.

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  21. Tin,

    http://www.620wdae.com/pages/Draft2010.html

    that site is the local radio sports talk show.  a guy their does a lot of draft work and will be attending the usf pro day.  thought you might enjoy some of his comments.  and oh yeah, if you go to the ron and ian page, there is some other really really good ' talent' to enjoy.

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  22. I can't get any of that streaming stuff to work on my work PC.

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  23. dont you only have to stream it to listen to it?

    i was pointing out one of the guys on the show does a lot of work on the draft and has some good information  on his draft page

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  24. oh i thought you were suggesting i listen to the talk show...

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  25. I think for fun I'm going to compare Dez Bryant's workout with Carlton Mitchell's since they're going at the same time more or less.

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  26. oh no, the guy that does the draft work is just the producer. i was suggesting you may be able to get some up dates on the usf day and that you may want to see some of the 'talent' that is on the ron & ian page.

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  27. On a completely unrelated note, what shall we name our backfield now that Ronnie has chimed in with his favorite off-the-field exploits to complement Ricky's well-documented pursuits?

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  28. guest=canamdolphin

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  29. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

    Okay so now there is a rumor the Dolphins are interested in C. J. Spiller. But it's nothing more than any other rumor out there about who we might be interested in. They should be interested in Spiller because he's one of the BPA in the draft.

    I've noticed a lot of fans are really focused on immediate needs. Let's say we draft Spiller at #12, and we address other positions and needs in other rounds this year. We end up having a pretty good season and show progress and Spiller is one of the reasons we make the playoffs but we don't go very far. Then we draft again in 2011 and we get even better. Maybe we get real close to the big game but fall just short. Then we draft again in 2012 get a little bit better and we're back competing for a title. Is anyone going to point to the 2010 draft and say we should have drafted a NT or some other position if we've been a playoff team for the last two years and we're getting close to being a champion? Nope!

    The draft is not for immediate need, especially when drafting as high as we are this year. This young team isn't built to win now or never. We're constructed to compete now and for years to come.

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  30. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 11:24 AM

    Tin, do you think Nate Allen is worthy of a 2nd round pick at #43? If so maybe we target LB at #12 and a S like Allen in the 2nd.

    In this draft our best case scenario for need and value might be:
    1. LB
    2. S
    3. NT or WR
    4. NT or WR

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  31. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

    Me too!

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  32. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    Well the fact that you didn't like getting hit, that will do it as far as your football career goes. LOL

    In today's passing era the more athletic ball hawk type free safeties are the way to go. We already have Bell who is a big hitter and acts like an extra LB against the run. Clemons may not be a FS but he could be Bell's eventual replacement at SS in a couple of years. Bell is entering his 8th season and has had quite a few injuries throughout his career. Not sure how many years he has left at a high level. He's in his prime now. When does he start to show signs of slowing down?

    However it goes down, a FS prospect who can make an impact right away or in a couple of years would be a good thing to get now. By 2012 our starting safeties could be Clemons at SS and the rookie this year at FS. Clemons would be in his 4th season and the FS would be in his 3rd.

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  33. Agree the draft is not always for immediate need
    This is why Tebow met with Bellicheat in Boston yesterday while simultaneously dotting the eyes on Tom Bradys new contract
    Brady is already working out with the team as his final contract is being prepared

    Do you think the Dolphins secondary and new LBs will be able to stop the Redcoat Machine in Bellicheats Spread Offense?

    As Far as Tebow Goes Hate to be the one
    Once Again
    To Say "I Told U So"
    But He Is Going To Throw or Run all Day in the Patriot Spread Offense or Wildcat
    Against my Fish Team

    "I Told U So"

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  34. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM

    Ya think! LOL

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  35. Knight how do we really know if we are ready to compete right now ?  We didn't show that last year against the also rans of the league.  Look who we lost to !!!

    I don't expect us to lose to teams like that if we have the talent..  I do think there were some things going on in the locker room that lead to some of those losses.  But both of those guys are gone this year which makes us a better team even before the draft or preseason.

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  36. Who else to teach Tebow a bit of polish on his throwing mechanics which accounted for almost 10,000 Yds in college with two national championships and a Heisman Trophy
    But Tom Brady the  NFL QB throwing mechanic artist 3 Super Bowl ring MVP

    Tebow is gonna smoke the Dolphins
    "Told U So"

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  37. Personally I would say no to Allen at 43 based solely on the depth of the
    draft. But like I've said before, I would rather not spend a high pick on a
    safety and have two guys with relatively little or no experience battle it
    out to start (ex, Clemons vs Nate Allen). I'd rather get a veteran and a
    later round prospect in the equation.
    However, I do think it would be fantastic if we had Will Allen, Jason Allen,
    and Nate Allen on the field at the same time. Dan Dierdorf's head would
    explode!

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  38. oh well the idiot is taking over this blog now too.  i will leave him to you guys

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  39. robbie please Knight alone
    Lets talk football
    not negativity about bloggers

    Any other radio stations we should listen too? LMAO

    Think Bellicheat will be doing some razzle dazzle with his 22 1st round pick and 3 second round picks

    How will Bellicheat steal Tebow from the Jags at pick # 10

    Somehow the Redcoats will end up with a good new OLB, DE and Tebow in development

    Jags franchise in a lot of trouble with non interested fan base with a ppor product to sell and
    Desperate for a QB since theirs is coming off an injury and surely is not the answer
    After #10 pick
    Jags have nothing til # 70

    Would like to go to Gillete Stadium this year
    Dolphins vs Pats
    Never seen their new stadium

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  40. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM

    Fang, we could have beaten the Colts and the Saints with a just a few more plays and less breakdowns. It was that close. We win those two games we're 9-7 and in the playoffs. If we had won those two games that PIT game at the end of the season has much more meaning. It changes everything.

    We competed all year and were in just about every game. We were in most games in the 4th quarter and a few got away. That was while losing quite a few players to season ending injuries.

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  41. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM

    You were right all along.  ;)

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  42. Thank U Knight
    New U would come to your senses after all those relentless posts that Tim Tebow would not be a good NFL QB
    Seems Mike Holmgren the QB guru
    Bill Bellicheat like him or not, One of the best coaches in the NFL and
    Jim Kelly one of the best  legendary QBs to ever play in the AFC EAST
    have been meeting with Tebow all week and have opposing views to your negative one on the best college player ever

    Please contact the SS director Chris T. or Omar Kelly. and confirm that I have not been posting any thing about U or posting under any other name on the SS
    In Fact
    No Posting from me at all on Omars blog in at least 3 weeks

    Understand U have posters that do not like U
    We all do

    U and others
    Owe me a Huge Apology

    So please be a man
    clear up this matter ASAP
    And I expect an apology

    Thank U
    Home

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  43. Tinshaker:
    I am tired of seeing that utube screen up above with a Marshall/Houston score with them kicking our ass.  Please post a new blog or SOMETHING to get rid of it.  I have suffered enough. Oh, did I forget to say please?  :* ;) :* ;)

    Speaking of suffering, It is almost unbearable here with all the 'hoopla' over the Eers in the final four. I don't know how much more I can take.

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  44. We Have PlaymakersMarch 30, 2010 at 12:50 PM

    Knight,

    We definitely had a very tough schedule last year & we had a bunch of significant injuries (especially Ferguson & Ronnie) but that's the NFL.  The Colts???  The Saints???  Could've, would've, should've....But didn't.  However, at least we competed with everything we had in those games.  In the end we came up short but those were both Super Bowl teams.  It's one thing to lose to two of the best teams & QB's in the entire NFL (that I can live with) but I was far more disappointed & sickened in the way we played against the Titans & the Texans.  Come on!!!  I hate to see us lose to anyone but those teams embarrassed us.

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  45. We Have PlaymakersMarch 30, 2010 at 1:01 PM

    Fang,

    Forget about what was going on in the locker room....That happens on every team.   Just look at the Jets & Kerry Rhodes???   I believe that stuff is really overrated at this level.  These guys are still pro's.  At the end of the day when you lose your most important defensive player & you take a look at the level of talent on defense & you throw in the inexperience with two rookie CB's that's why we I believe we finished 7-9 & are picking @ 12. 

    Don't get me wrong.  I'm glad we showed our lack of talent & inability to make plays on defense b/c we can definitely use the higher picks @ 12 then somwhere in the high teens or the twenties.

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  46. That's a weird notion - I'd rather have the talent and the WINS than the
    high draft picks.
    But our record was mostly due to injuries - add Chad Pennington, Will Allen,
    Jason Ferguson, Justin Smiley, Jake Grove, Ronnie Brown, Channing Crowder,
    Joey Porter - these are not run of the mill injuries here, these are all
    high level starters in the NFL - plug them in and we don't look as
    talentless as all that. These injuries piled on top of sub-par performances
    by our entire receiving corps and a generous sprinkling of missed tackles is
    what took us from an 11-5 team to a 7-9 team. if all of those guys had
    stayed healthy and everyone performed at their usual levels, we would've
    repeated 2008 even with a harder schedule and lame play-calling by the
    coaches.

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  47. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM

    Then stop drawing those suspicions your way. Any particular reason you were the only one to bring up the fake Knight's site on Tin's blog? Every possible blog I might read had to have the troll representation and you helped complete that. That's on you.

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  48. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM

    As for Tim Tebow I believe he's a good guy who has leadership qualities and is a just a good football player. That doesn't mean he's a 1st round QB prospect. I think his upside as a quality NFL QB is 50-50 and that's not good enough to be a 1st round pick. However I do believe some team will take a chance on him in the 2nd round.

    Maybe he can become a FB/HB type who can run a little, block and catch, and utilize passing options. That's good for the 2nd round if you really believe in the guy like the trifecta believed in Pat White. The problem with Pat White is that he got exposed when he wasn't really ready but our coaches wanted to experiment and get a feel for how teams would react with him in the game. Now a lot of people are writing him off. Not fair!

    If Tebow wants to be a QB, he would be better served playing in the CFL for a couple of years in my opinion and working on his passing skills. But get with a team that will run somewhat of a pro style.

    Just like Pat White last year, I wouldn't take Tebow any earlier than the 4th round but a team will take a chance on him earlier. There is a lot of gambling that goes on in the NFL. LOL

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  49. Tebow will be picked not in the 4th round but
    more than likely in the first round by the Jags or Pats

    Watching Tebow play weekly fro the last 4 years as all Gator Games are aired on TV in South Florida
    One has a lot more knowledge of the QB and excellent leader/role model
    than some one sitting in weather modified flooded  NJ that is a nonbeliever/hater of God and clearly jealous of
    The enormous success Tim Tebow has achieved in college football history as the best player ever

    Now QB guru
    Mike Holmgren as well as
    Bill Bellicheat and
    Legendary tough guy QB jim Kelly who led his team to many SBs
    Are all eagerly hosting Tebow and taking him to dinner
    urging him to please play for their teams

    Believe these Men
    Know quite a bit about the QB position in the NFL

    Once again
    admit when u are wrong
    Just like calling the wrong blogger out for the other folks that disagree with U  and attack U on the SS

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  50. Just clear It Up
    Contact the SS by e-mail
    and
    Apologize to me

    Have nothing to do with your blog or your trolls
    so get to the truth

    U must say it is funny
    cause the guy is so whacked
    He has spent hundreds of hours ridiculing U

    Last year whenI saw "fan" in a pink tutu and clicked on the blog he created 4 U
    With Tins Website copy catted
    I fell on the ground  belly laughing

    I have quite a sense of humor
    and Believe Jim McMan (Bears QB)
    Nailed It
    When He said this was an entertainment business not just sports

    Then Marino,Elway and McMan would fly to Germany and pound down some beers together
    Where they could have fun and not be recognized

    Please have Chris T. at SS confirm
    I`m tired if being accused for something
    I have nothing to do with

    But It is OK to Laugh (not trying to hurt your feelings, just funny)

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  51. These were my alter egos
    Which were done in fun and entertainment only
    Never tried to mask myself only having fun with different personalities and the challenge of signing in & out with 6 avatars on 1 computer (Now thats a talented blogger)

    Home and variations of:
    NostraHomeUs, Homey the Clown, Home SuperBowl 2010, HSB2010
    i feel fine, Tony Sparano, Tommy Devito, Jimmy Conway and If I only Had A Brain(scarecrow from WOZ)

    all complete with appropriate avatars
    and if anyone asked me
    I revealed my  ID

    Hope U enjoyed the show!

    Love
    Home :)

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  52. Almost foget MAD face

    "what me worry?"

    Now have some fun, will ya!

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  53. For the record, as crazy as Home is, he's not the imposter. The imposter
    lives in NJ and works for a pharmaceutical company.

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  54. The imposter is Pete in Tampa, that much I do know

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  55. Tim Tebow may be picked in the 1st round... that doesn't change where he should be taken. He shouldn't even be considered in the early rounds, if teams just solely look at the tape and don't get caught up in Tim Tebow hype it becomes clear he doesn't belong in the rounds he's been projected to go in.

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  56. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 7:06 PM

    <span>
    <p>Wow! It's a neighbor of mine? LOL
    </p><p> 
    </p><p>Tin how is Pete in Tampa who I have never heard of the NJ person?
    </p></span>

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  57. The Knight who says Ni!March 30, 2010 at 7:08 PM

    Has it happened yet?

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  58. My guess is he's using a false name LOL

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  59. The Knight who says Ni!March 31, 2010 at 8:56 AM

    LOL

    I never saw a name Pete in Tampa anywhere. Where did you get that name? How do you know he works for a pharmaceutical company? I find that very interesting for a couple of reasons.

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  60. The Knight who says Ni!March 31, 2010 at 9:16 AM

    I didn't say he would be taken in the 4th round. I said I wouldn't take him any earlier than that. I said some team will probably pick him in the 2nd round. Now the rumor is late 1st. I wish someone would take him before #12. That way we would have even more prospects available when we pick.

    What am I suppose to admit being wrong about? Let's say Tebow gets picked #1 overall, that doesn't mean he'll pan out. Just because a guy gets picked higher than I think he should doesn't mean it was a good pick.

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  61. Knight
    Post more about Tebow on your blog
    This one is a few days old

    See Ya there, Pal!

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