Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Training Camp - Day 14 - UPDATED!

Photos by Brian L. (click on photos to enlarge)

Today is another brutal two practice day for the Miami Dolphins. I bet they had a rough day off from practicing, because they probably had to watch film and get reamed in position meetings, etc, and today they have to put up with the heat. One thing I really noticed in retrospect from the Jacksonville game is that despite the downpour and the generally soggy conditions, no one fumbled the ball. Even Ricky, despite his dropped TD, kept the ball off the ground when running the football. One turnover was caused when Chad Henne threw an ill-advised, and ill-aimed pass under pressure, and another was caused when Anthony Kimble tried to catch a wet ball with his jersey and a ricochet ensued. But for a wet, soggy pre-season matchup between two defensive minded teams, I thought we did okay on the turnover side. That's a positive considering how many young, inexperienced players we have.

In leading up to the Carolina game this Saturday, it looks like Johnathan Stewart will not be playing as he has a sore achilles. This pisses me off since I drafted Stewart for my fantasy league. But it does allow us to get more action versus DeAngelo Williams, which is a good thing since we'll see our 2nd string linebackers versus their 1st string RB.

Now the big question for today is if the team will release any players based on the first 2 weeks of camp and their performance in the game. And while it's still early, there are a few free agents out there Miami might be interested in bringing in at this point for evaluation. One thing I do think we'll see is a reorganization of the depth chart. Considering the next game is on Saturday, I think any changes they make will be done immediately (as in today). Also, training camp officially ends tomorrow so there are only 3 more practices under this format.

Put on your GM hats and comment on what actions you would take today.

  • Matt Roth is not practicing yet. Word from Drew Rosenhaus is that he will be soon. As soon as training camp ends, you mean? Drew also said that Yeremiah Bell is one of the most under-rated players in the NFL and he expects Will Allen to have a pro-bowl season.
  • I did say if Roth wasn't practicing by this point, he'd definitely be out of the starting picture. I think it's clear that JT is ready to assume that role (not that he ever wasn't starting caliber), but if Roth can't get on the field by this time next week, I'd start to be very doubtful he even makes the 53 man-roster. At the very best he could hope to be put on the PUP which would make him ineligible for the first 6 weeks of the season. I like Roth a lot, like most fans, but it's been nearly 3 weeks. If we get up to week four, at some point you have to ready the team for the season and that means giving someone else a shot. However this works out, the narrowing down of the 53 man roster is just getting harder and harder every day..
  • Donald Thomas HAS been elevated back to being the starting Right Guard. Shawn Murphy is second string for now.

  • The Dolphins have released cornerback, Eric Green. This is where I say I told you so. Told you Green wouldn't make the team, much less start. And for all you doubters, this pretty much locks up Jason Allen to make the team, which would be two I told you so moments all at once, but I felt guilty just saying it the first time, so I'll let the second one go. ;)


  1. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 7:40 AM

    Yea I've already seen some cuts. I think it was Bob Griese who mentioned during the game that Jeff Ireland has scouts at every game and they're keeping an eye on players they had on their draft board and some rookie free agents they liked.

    I'm not sure anything big happens today but the depth chart may take on a little bit different look. Like putting Donald Thomas as 1st team RG for good and get the top 5 to start building chemistry because that's what they need more than anything else. The talent is there for us to have a very good OL.

  2. Eric Green is an embarrassment to the AFC EAST CHAMPION MIAMI DOLPHINS

    Green sucked on  the Cards ,watched the SB from the sidelines,  had a miserable camp and stunk up the field against a bad nfl team in the passing game
    Green was a despearation pick off season
    Rip the jersey off his back and get rid of him quick
    No hard feelings 
    Green will still make more money than U or I for getting free off season conditioning and not playing

    Also time to shop Wilford(now he is worth more) London(no room, he will never get a chance to play anyway and return specialist Little Chris Williams is the new front runner for WR pick # 6)
    Jason Allen is worth shopping around, but I would lean on keeping him if possible
    Not sold on rookie garbage glory grabbing  CBs yet
    Need to see more,  but unfortunately Dolphins are playing scruby struggling QBs in preseason game 2 and 3
    Game 4 will see very little if any Drew Brees and starters

    This will give Rook CBs a false sense of their abilities at start of regular season
    Only for the goofball sean and perhaps others to get smoked and exposed when they face the Real NFL QB

    ***** The DYNASTY BE FINS! *****

  3. I disagree about the 3rd game vs Tampa Bay, we'll get to see how our DBs
    adjust to plpaying against 15 different QBs in one game...

  4. I see better talent on the offensive line, but I don't think they measures up to teams like the vikings, Jets, Panthers, Steelers, and about 6 or 7 more teams.  Now that is a great improvement over 2 years ago for sure, but of the players we now have as a group the talent of the top teams in the league ?  I hope so.

    One thing for sure the trifecta are still churning this team, from what Ireland said.

    I haven't seen much talk about how the special teams played Monday night other than Williams but they looked really good.

  5. Tin do you think that matt roth has any tarde value, we have jason taylor and cameron wake.  If the dolphins get atleast a 3rd round pick for him they should let him go

  6. The Steelers? They Steelers had a lousy line last year. The Giants should
    be on that list as well as the Titans but the Steelers line blew chunks.

  7. One thing I noticed is that not once did one of our gunners make the tackle
    on a return. Still, we didn't give up a lot of ST yards, so it's

  8. Not while he's injured. You can't trade someone who can't pass a physical.
    If he were healthy I'd try to get two picks for him like a 4th and a 6th.

  9. yea when he gets healthy, not bad getting two picks from him.  We can use the 4th to draft a olb or a de to convert to olb. Because of right now jayson taylor and cameron wake can get the job done at that position

  10. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 8:43 AM

    <img src="" title="This user is an administrator"/> <span style="cursor: pointer;">Tinshaker</span><img src=""/> <span>I disagree about the 3rd game vs Tampa Bay, we'll get to see how our DBs 
    adjust to plpaying against 15 different QBs in one game...</span>

    Ha Ha Ha

    p.s.  U heard it here first!

    Miami Messiah =  Pat White

    tThe man is blessed , what can i tell U

    ***** The DYNASTY BE FINS! *****

  11. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM

    We're not going to release Matt Roth. He's injured, he didn't do anything to get cut. He still has time to get up to speed but it has to be soon or he will end up on the PUP. He will come in handy as the season progresses and when Porter and JT slow down a bit and they will. They can't escape their age. Both Wake and Roth will be needed.

    I'm not getting too crazy about the first preseason game. Every year people make too much of it because that's all we have. Once the season starts no one even thinks about the preseason, especially the first game.

    We'll have a better feel for who will make the team after the 3rd preseason game. The 4th game will be for a few players on the bubble and to determine the final depth chart.

  12. I know this sound totally Homerish, but I would package as many picks as it
    took to get George Selvie. It's not like we need to save a 2nd rounder to
    draft another QB...or do we? lol. It all depends on how the draftees of
    the last two years develop this season, but we might be heading into next
    year's draft without a huge shopping list, especially after the free agency
    I think next year we will double down on linebackers and running backs (i
    know this is way in the future speculation). I don't see the Ronnie and
    Ricky dynasty lasting forever, so they'll need to work on replacements, and
    at the same time, despite the logjam we have right now at OLB, if Roth isn't
    around (and at this point I wouldn't extend him), and with JT and JP
    possibly hanging it up around 2010, that area will suddenly be quite thin,
    even with Wake, Walden, Anderson, etc.
    I think we'll be set at WR, QB, TE, DB, DL and OL. I would expect to bring
    in camp bodies but not spend a high draft pick on any of those positions.
    Plus, i think there's still a chance we land Crabtree....;)

  13. I didn't mean we'd release him, but if he's not good to go soon he will have
    to on the PUP and then possibly on IR, but it is his contract year and they
    won't extend him if he's on IR.

  14. thought for sure Roth would be practicing by now.  But this Halloween I'm going as Matt Roth...just need to find a white Dolphins Cap and walk with a slight limp...

  15. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM


    Dont tease us with the awesome chance that we get Crabtree

    How cool would that be!

  16. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM

    is a cool dude in a loose mood

  17. LOL, if he doesn't sign with the 49ers, what's to stop us from drafting him
    next year? We could get a steal as he probably wouldn't guy in the top of
    the 1st round

  18. tin who's this george selvie guy?   is he a good olb prospect for next years draft?

  19. <span>tin who's this george selvie guy?   is he a good olb prospect for next years draft?</span>

  20. seriously, i havent heard of this guy lol

  21. Don't you live in Florida?

  22. yeap, miami florida

  23. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM


  24. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM

    You think Crabtree not signing with the team that selected him this year would drop him out of the 1st round next year?

  25. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM

    Home, that sounds gay.  *DONT_KNOW*

  26. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM

    Tin, do you think Selvie is more of a 4-3 DE or do you feel he can convert to 3-4 OLB?

  27. Well. Selvie plays for my alma-mater, USF. He could've come out after his
    red-shirt sophomore year and been a top ten pick. Here are his stats:
    2006, after converting from Center to DE:
    64 tackles, 16 for loss, 6 sacks, 3 Forced Fumbles and 1 fumble recovery
    taken back for a TD.
    2007, after one year of experience as a defensive player:
    58 tackles, 32 for loss, 15 sacks, 3 forced fumbles and a blocked kick.
    2008, he suffered an ankle injury in the middle of the season, missed a game
    and played sparingly in the following three games. He was regularly
    triple-teamed before that:
    42 tackles, 15 for loss, 7 sacks, 1 forced fumble and 5 passes defensed.

  28. Why does everyone put words in my mouth. I said he might not be in the TOP
    of the 1st round.
    There's some pretty big names coming out next year.

  29. I think he'd actually be better and have bigger numbers as a weakside LB in
    a 3-4. He's 6'4" 245lbs. He's not going to play DE for anybody in the NFL.

  30. i heard Patrick Turner didn't have a good game - i didn't see it - do you guys think he'll still make the team?

  31. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:21 AM

    Ooops... my bad. But you actually said: "We could get a steal as he probably wouldn't guy in the top of 
    the 1st round". I don't know how to guy so you'll have to fill us in on that one. LOL

  32. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM

    Well maybe the Colts, they like their DEs extremely small. LOL

  33. ok, I can get myself out of this one.....hmm...guy is also a wire/rope used
    to secure something in place, so what I was suggesting was that he probably
    wouldn't secure himself the high draft position.

  34. The first dress rehearsal (preseason) showed the same offensive tendencies as the final game last year did; the inability to run inside. The line play picked up with Thomas, but neither Ronnie nor Ricky could get it going inside. Now, I realize that it's early, so I will say that I will continue to evaluate.

    Tin, I agree that the rb position should be looked at in the next draft. Ricky's getting old(er) and Ronnie looked like he was auditioning for dancing with the stars last year.


  35. He's not small, but he has a Jason Taylor-like body. His first step is the
    best I've ever seen though, and that includes JT. With experience and
    proper coaching he could be a huge star in the NFL. He's a really good guy
    too, no issues at all off the field.

  36. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM

    "so what I was suggesting was that he probably wouldn't secure himself the high draft position." LOL

    He'd probably still go top 10.

  37. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM

    Could he play Safety?  :-E

    No seriously, a faster first step than LT? You probably didn't see him play much did you?

  38. oh tin thx for the information, but if he has a good 2009 season i dont think the dolphins will be able to select him. he'll probably be a top 15 pick for sure then

  39. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM

    "Ronnie looked like he was auditioning for dancing with the stars last year."

    Dumb comment! 

  40. I dunno about that, he's going to sit on his ass for a year and not have any
    buzz around him. Then you have to factor in Dez Bryant and Aurellius Benn.
    Plus Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, N. Suh, maybe Selvie, etc

  41. no, i think I saw him play in the superbowl and that was about it. Once
    again, i said fastest that I, me, tinshaker, has seen. lol

  42. Well look at it this way, Daniel, he was graded as top five pick in 2008,
    and as a late 4th rounder in 2009. several players dropped in the 1st round
    this year, think Maualuga, and Vontae Davis, etc. Plus, according to both
    Parcells and Ireland, if there's a guy they MUST have, they will not
    hesitate to trade up for him.
    They tried to trade up this year but couldn't get any takers for their

  43. Yeah, 'So You Think You Can Dance' is wayyy better!

  44. I heard Patrick Turner had a bad game?  I did not see it.  Is he going to make the team?

  45. I heard Patrick Turner had a bad game?  I did not see it.  Is he going to make the team?

  46. yea i remember that everyone was saying that mualuga was going to be a top 10 pick , then he dropped to the second round.  If he's a must have player then parcells and ireland would do anything possible to draft him

  47. he didnt have a bad game, he led the team with receptions, just  that he dropped a couple of catchable balls

  48. oh, ok, but dropping balls ain't good.  Is he going to be on TV this fall is what I want to know.

  49. oh, ok, but dropping balls ain't good.  Is he going to be on TV this fall is what I want to know.

  50. yea he'll make the team, atleast he was getting open and the qb's were able to find him, that was a good sign.  I say he makes the team as the fourth wr.
    1. ginn
    6.williams if he keeps showing good returning skills and limits the mistakes 
     i still think that ginn is the best kick returner on the team

  51. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM


  52. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM

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  53. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

    Who do you think they were targeting?

  54. That I don't know...I could narrow it down from 24 to about 15. And that's
    as close as I'd get.

  55. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 12:04 PM

    That's too bad. One of the best plays was watching LT chase RBs from behind the line of scrimmage. The back would have no idea he was that close and he would trip them up before they got to the line of scrimmage. He must have done that 100 times in his career.

  56. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

    Remember when I posted how well Fields was punting and actually saw him punting fom the back of the endzone 80+ yards
    It really is something to witness
    Well today reports are that Fields hit one for 95 yards
    During the season when we are pinned deep Fields could really get us out of a jam with field position
    Keep an eye on this guy he may graduate to one of the bettter punters in the League

  57. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM

    I don't think we would have any chance to get Crabtree at #32.  :-D

  58. Just because we're winning the superbowl this year doesn't mean we can't
    trade up in the draft or pick up another 1st round pick when we trade
    pennington ....

  59. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

    What does narrowing it down from 24 to 15 mean?

  60. from the 24 players picked ahead of us, to about 15 potential targets.
    Once you subtract the QBs, the RBs and the dickheads...

  61. Thanks, Brian, I'm uploading them right now!

  62. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    LOL, do you have a guess? I thought it might have been for Orakpo.

  63. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 12:53 PM

    I don't think we can trade Pennington.

  64. I remember thinking it was Orakpo at the time. I haven't heard anything
    about that guy at all since the draft.....did anyone watch a Redskins
    pre-season game?

  65. anybody is tradeable

  66. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 1:14 PM

    I thought he had some language in his contract about not being dealt without his blessing. If not we'd have to do it this year and that's not happening. He's a free agent at the end of the season.

  67. Brian, I hope your focus (no pun intended) wasn't JUST the players again? Your ability to capture the whole organisation last time gave us a MUCH better insight on all the treats available at camp!

  68. Sorry UK, no sweets available this venture out, don't think I wasnt looking!

  69. I have to say, even though they're running up and down in cleats on that
    turf it still looks better than my lawn....

  70. Thanks for all your efforts anyway. The good book says seek and ye shall find. I think the target might have been different back then tho? ;)

  71. "The good book says seek and ye shall find"
    Oh, yeah those Where's Waldo books are great....

  72. "Oh, yeah those Where's Waldo books are great...."


  73. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM

    Wow! Eric Green has been cut already.

  74. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 2:25 PM

    Hope the Trifecata read my blog 2nd on page this morning

    "Rip the jersey off of Eric Greens back and get rid of him quick"

    Well that was quick
    How do U like those apples!
    Nice Job Trifecta!

  75. How come nothing happens until I go to have a B.M.?
    Are you Shi**ing me?

  76. dam i think they cut him too fast, they should've given him a longer time, what if sean smith gets injured or something

  77. Wow that was quick, how much money did that cost them? But it does show you they don"t play around.

  78. They cut him now so he has a chance to catch on with another team. If we
    have an injury bug, and he's still available they might bring him back.

  79. I think it was a sizable chunk but still not Ernest Wilford size waste of

  80. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 3:17 PM

    A B.M.?

  81. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 3:21 PM

    We also have other corners on the roster and Ireland likes Joey Thomas.

    W. Allen
    J. Allen

    Probably only 5 make it.

    Good call with today's blog asking about what do you think will happen today as far as cuts and playing GM. I agree this helps Jason Allen. What I do like about Jason is his size, speed, athletic ability and he can tackle. Can he consistently play the right technique and cover is the question he has to answer.

  82. I was watching the week 1 game from last year vs the Jets and Jason Allen
    was playing free safety in that game. I thought the Trifecta switched him
    to CB during training camp?

  83. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 3:32 PM

    He wasn't starting at FS. He must have been playing dime safety or just filled in for a play or two. Wasn't Crocker the starting FS week 1?

  84. Yes, lol, he was also the star of the first episode of Hard Knocks last
    week. What a maroon...super cocky, great practice player, but awful on game
    I know Allen wasn't starting but he played exclusively at safety in that
    game. Nate Jones was the nickel corner. But I'm sure they said they were
    moving him to corner full-time BEFORE that....why don't we just admit he's a
    good tweener and let him play both positions depending on the need?

  85. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    Green sucked my grandma was better than him
    Plenty of back up for this perennial loser

    Awesome pictures of Bell and Ginn esp
    Great job Brian L
    better keep it up for the season

    Maybe I`ll sport U for  some close up seats during regular season  I`m generally all over different good seats from front row 15 yard line  or lower Bacardi Rum section   to club level

  86. Eric Green looked a little off color during todays practice... ;)

  87. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM

    He struggles with recognizing the offense and calling the defense. That seems to be the reason they moved him to corner.

  88. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM

    Yeah he's blue.

  89. Whoa, I totally read that as 'Green sucked my grandma' and was like, where
    is this going?

  90. Home SuperBowl 2010August 19, 2009 at 3:58 PM

    Bad @ss picture Brian L
    Put it next to my one page post on the firing of Eric Green befor the wanna be s  claim credit

    Who`s your daddy Now!

    One of the best site days yet
    Right On Tinshaker!

    ***** The DYNASTY BE FINS! *****

  91. wow, that was bad....

  92. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 4:29 PM

    But witty. LOL

  93. The Knight who says Ni!August 19, 2009 at 4:29 PM

    Me too. That's why we have commas. : )

  94. <span>tin, venus and serena williams are going to be the next  minority owners. lol</span>

  95. Hmmm 15yd line, front row, that would be bout smack dab in front of the I'm sure I could do some serious damage from there LOL Im willing to sacrafice my time for the good of the website, have camera will travel!! Send all donations to BrianL c/o Tinshaker lol

  96. My gut is telling me Roth is going to get traded.  He's got to be healthy by now doesn't he?  As a resident of the "Hawkeye State" I would love to see him stay, but this seems really suspicious.


  97. DAMNNN 93 comment's in ONE DAY,that's gotta be a record!!

    B/C GREEN got released??
    Don't think they should've given him time to land w'possibly the opposition(and releasing playbook info)...
    I said Mon nght he's a pin cushion,@best 3rd team..
    Guess there've been several "told-ya-so's",NINETY THREE,DAMNNNN... 
     YEAAAA for JALLEN !!!

  98. Home SuperBowl 2010August 20, 2009 at 2:39 AM

    Sorry grandma
    no hard feelings and I wont let Green suck U

    Should have use a comma
    Usually write in a Haiku style without punctuation

    Its the future man
    Like this

    Green sucked
    My Grandma was better than him

    Hope thats better Tin Fin fans

  99. Home SuperBowl 2010August 20, 2009 at 6:50 AM

    Make it 95 Smokey Williams

    ***** The DYNASTY BE FINS! *****

  100. No way he goes top ten if he sits out the season...what GM in his right mind would voluntarily sign up for the same ridiculous sideshow the niners are now experiencing? Top ten picks are far to valuable to take a chance you might not get the player signed and gain nothing from that draft slot.

    FWIW though, he is NOT (I guarantee this one..and how many "guarantees" have you seen me make?) going to re-enter the draft next year...he'll sign w/ the niners (or have his rights traded to some other team) before that would happen.

  101. Uh, there's more to Haiku than leaving out the punctuation. Also, pronoun use is not limited in Haiku. Also, Haiku follows a very distinct syllabic pattern.

    Guess you're not so poetic Narcissus!

  102. Don't expect too much from this kid's agent/cousin, etc. On this week's
    Hard Knocks, the Bengals were trying to negotiate a deal for Andre Smith and
    you should've heard the 'agent' on the other end of the phone. he sounded
    like he was negotiating from a street corner in the hood.